thebassman Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Not what you think, thankfully. I've got a gig in Hoxton tomorrow night and the venue have just informed us we have to use the house backline. It's a trace Elliot commando, anyone got any experiences with these? I did have a look on google, seems to be a 1x15, 150 watt combo. I'm guessing it is just used for stage monitors. cheers thebassman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTUK Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Depends on lots of things...I wouldn't be chancing/trusting/considering it unless I knew the P.A and engrs. That little box is not going to be enough if the band is loud on stage. The drummer and gtr on any size stage will not hear it and you'll have to wind it up to get a really whiney nasally sound which is just not a feel good factor on any sort of gig, AFAIAC... This all means that you will need decent monitors which the bass can go thru... so unless you have 4 mixes on the mon mix, don't even consider this is worth a chance, IMO/IME. You may get away with 2 mixes but then that really questions what sort of P.A they have anyway, IMO and one of those mixes is going to be geared for the vox..and rightly so, and the other will have to be compromise mix for the rest of the backline.... So, a quick call to the engr and telling him you want 4 full range mon mix with everything back at you and see what he says... Engrs don't actually like to promise this as their gear isn't always up to it..and that is ok..as long as you know and then you can decide accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassBus Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 I would agree with JTUK regarding the Trace Elliot. I have a Commando 10 and it is fine for practice but not for gigging. I once used it for a gig with trad folk musicians and it didn't cut through that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismuzz Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 If it was me, I'd take my rig anyway. it's not going to kill them to have you move a combo off the stage for half an hour! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Hmmm, I tend to agree with the others you may hear it if standing right in front of it, but the rest of the band will be unlikely to. These types of gigs irritate me, if insisting on using house gear, make the darn house gear suitable for purpose. For gigs like this I have my Zoom B3 which has amp-modelling on of my actual amp. I prefer to go into that, straight to FOH and get the soundman to make sure the band have enough bass through the monitors. That why I get my sound, rather than an amp I don`t know, plus we can then all hear it properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebassman Posted February 27, 2014 Author Share Posted February 27, 2014 Yeah, I'm not too impressed. There are 5 other bands on and the venue have insisted we all use the provided backline. I haven't played any "originals" only gigs for a few years. I'd forgotten how much effort they are for not much reward. I do prefer playing our own music to covers, but you always get treated more like cattle moving through the half hour slots. I'll see if I can contact the sound engineer before I leave to see what can be done. Cheers Thebassman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 As a matter of interest, what venue is it (I`ve played a few down that way)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoonBassAlpha Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 You could always offer the use of your rig as backline for all to use. That would sound better than a little Trace combo. I don't suppose the venue would mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanAxe Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 [quote name='thebassman' timestamp='1393531054' post='2381608'] There are 5 other bands on and the venue have insisted we all use the provided backline. [/quote] This is clearly to save setup time. If every band's bass player insisted on using their own rig, that would somewhat eat into the evening! If you did take your own rig you might have to let all the other herberts use it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebassman Posted February 27, 2014 Author Share Posted February 27, 2014 [quote name='Lozz196' timestamp='1393539151' post='2381783'] As a matter of interest, what venue is it (I`ve played a few down that way)? [/quote] It's the zigfrid von underbelly, Hoxton square. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Ah, not done that one so can`t offer any advice on said rig/set-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebassman Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share Posted February 28, 2014 [quote name='Lozz196' timestamp='1393582189' post='2382130'] Ah, not done that one so can`t offer any advice on said rig/set-up. [/quote] No worries. I think I might take my shuttlemax head tonight, see if I can plug it in somewhere. Cheers Thebassman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamdenRob Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 (edited) Take your own if you can... I had a commando for a while and it was crap. Edited February 28, 2014 by CamdenRob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebassman Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share Posted February 28, 2014 [quote name='CamdenRob' timestamp='1393585207' post='2382189'] Take your own if you can... I had a commando for a while and it was crap. [/quote] I like that, straight to the point :-) Cheers Thebassman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Your NX212 can't have a big footprint, can't you just put the Trace ontop of the Genz cab and then the Shuttle ontop of the Trace? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebassman Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share Posted February 28, 2014 [quote name='Graham' timestamp='1393595488' post='2382369'] Your NX212 can't have a big footprint, can't you just put the Trace ontop of the Genz cab and then the Shuttle ontop of the Trace? [/quote] I would of liked to, but I have to catch the tube so will be a bit much to take. Cheers Thebassman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merton Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 The Commando is a lovely sounding heavy little amp, but won't be loud enough for gigging. I know, I used ot have one and it always sucked on a gig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martthebass Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 It's not up to the GP7 headed combos, practice or acoustic gig only I thought for the commando. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebassman Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share Posted February 28, 2014 Well I've just finished our first set. The amp was ok, not as nice as my shuttlemax, but it did surprise me for a 150 watt combo. The venue mix was really good too. Cheers Thebassman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoonBassAlpha Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Result! So much for all the naysayers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcnach Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 [quote name='chrismuzz' timestamp='1393510299' post='2381198'] If it was me, I'd take my rig anyway. it's not going to kill them to have you move a combo off the stage for half an hour! [/quote] this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcnach Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 [quote name='JapanAxe' timestamp='1393540737' post='2381817'] This is clearly to save setup time. If every band's bass player insisted on using their own rig, that would somewhat eat into the evening! If you did take your own rig you might have to let all the other herberts use it [/quote] here's where a nice small rig is nice. A MarkBass CMD121P combo is often enough, and with a single extension cab it's still small, portable... and sounds great (and loud). You can carry it in and set it while your drummer sets his cymbals, and take it away with you when you're done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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