itsmedunc Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 [url="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1977-vintage-american-precision-fully-loaded-bass-guitar-excellent-condition-/360655848081?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item53f8c38291"]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1977-vintage-american-precision-fully-loaded-bass-guitar-excellent-condition-/360655848081?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item53f8c38291[/url] I'm after one myself but this isn't the one for me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlfer Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Not surprised it's "cheap". Been up a few times as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmo Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 not really knowing anything about Fender Precisions, what is wrong with it as you say you want one, but its not for you, and also the not surprised it is cheap comment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsmedunc Posted May 13, 2013 Author Share Posted May 13, 2013 Hi, I suppose its just the first impression I got. I don't like the colour anyway but with the white jazz pickup, the colour scheme is definitely not for me. It looks a bit too shiny, so maybe its had a paint job? Somehow with it having no inlay markers it looks a bit bland. Might have been fretless? I'm not sure what to make of that either? It may sound and play great though and if its genuine, its very cheap... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanAxe Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Jazz pickup looks like a DiMarzio. Surely Fender weren't fitting J pickups to Ps in 1977? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlfer Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 I know a bit but no expert. 1. Almost guarentee that is a re-fin 2. Not sure about neck/fretboard from those pics but highly dubious it came out of the factory like that. IF it came out of the Fender factory. 3. Pickguard should have a label underneath with the same serial number as headstock. 4. Jazz pup and extra rotary are definitely after market additions. I would be wanting photos of neck off, pickguard off and close up of pots as I really not sure how much, if any, of a Fender 70's P is left. Someone who knows a lot more than me will comment before long I would guess. Karl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou24d53 Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 It's maybe a "Triggers brush" version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 The problem with that bass is that either the seller hasn't a clue, having been fed a pile of crap by whoever he bought it from, or he's full of crap himself, the Jazz rout was done with a chisel, it's a horrible refin, and not exactly the best year in Fender's inventory. Worth a risk at £500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacey Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 The amount of fakes is devaluing the brand, even experts struggle with the precisions without doing a full strip down. Could be a re-hash, they were £150a pop second hand basses in the 80's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 If you look at how the saddle screw lengths are set too, if it were a fretless it could have had a terrible fret job making intonation difficult to set up properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon1964 Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 The colour is certainly not original. The jazz pickup is not original. The lack of markers on the fretboard is highly suspicious - the seller's suggestion that it may have been fretless originally doesn't ring true to me. Pictures of the pots will undoubtedly show that they're not original - they can't be because of the added pickup. And for the same reason the pickguard cannot be original as 70s Fenders only had two knob guards. At best you might have a few bits of a 70s P but it's not worth very much IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 [quote name='spacey' timestamp='1368474984' post='2077577'] The amount of fakes is devaluing the brand, even experts struggle with the precisions without doing a full strip down. Could be a re-hash, they were £150a pop second hand basses in the 80's [/quote] Some of the fakes were a lot better than the originals in this era! [quote name='ash' timestamp='1368565498' post='2078740'] If you look at how the saddle screw lengths are set too, if it were a fretless it could have had a terrible fret job making intonation difficult to set up properly. [/quote] Good point! [quote name='simon1964' timestamp='1368602783' post='2078960'] The colour is certainly not original. The jazz pickup is not original. The lack of markers on the fretboard is highly suspicious - the seller's suggestion that it may have been fretless originally doesn't ring true to me. Pictures of the pots will undoubtedly show that they're not original - they can't be because of the added pickup. And for the same reason the pickguard cannot be original as 70s Fenders only had two knob guards. At best you might have a few bits of a 70s P but it's not worth very much IMO [/quote] It's the fact that the seller seems to think it's original that's most worrying though! Quite possible that none of it is Fender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacey Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Agree, most of the fakes were better in this era, the fact that a neck from a 70's precision bass can still be fretted and played should arouse suspicion immediately, they were never designed to last, they were modular, just buy a new neck, but the value is in originality and far too many confuse a botched up parts job with a collectors instrument these days. It is very easy to rip off novice first time collectors with hash ups who then realise that they have been had. To be valued and collective it has to be as made and often in its case, exceptions exist with rare basses as you have to take what there is. But this is not it, it may have parts of old basses, it may have none, but some mug will buy it. On the other side, some people are making fortunes out of reheated shed finds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetaFunk Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 [quote name='spacey' timestamp='1368474984' post='2077577'] The amount of fakes is devaluing the brand, even experts struggle with the precisions without doing a full strip down. Could be a re-hash, they were £150a pop second hand basses in the 80's [/quote] Devaluing the brand? In what way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlfer Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 [quote name='simon1964' timestamp='1368602783' post='2078960'] The colour is certainly not original. The jazz pickup is not original. The lack of markers on the fretboard is highly suspicious - the seller's suggestion that it may have been fretless originally doesn't ring true to me. Pictures of the pots will undoubtedly show that they're not original - they can't be because of the added pickup. And for the same reason the pickguard cannot be original as 70s Fenders only had two knob guards. At best you might have a few bits of a 70s P but it's not worth very much IMO [/quote] Good grief, I was pretty much right then. Not like me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinson Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 To me it looks like a late 70s p bass that has been modded and arsed about with. Body, scratchplate, bridge, knobs (the p bass two), pickups etc all look like the real deal but refinned and J pickup added. Lord knows about the story of the neck though. I seem to recall this being sold a year or so ago in the Peterborough area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Vader Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 [quote name='BetaFunk' timestamp='1368613217' post='2079117'] Devaluing the brand? In what way? [/quote] Good point, they're not getting any cheaper as a result. Which is a shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmo Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 The only clue i had about it was the neck was different which he mentioned, other than that, i would not have a clue it was not original in anyway shape or form.So much to learn in the bass world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetaFunk Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 [quote name='spacey' timestamp='1368609338' post='2079060'] Agree, most of the fakes were better in this era, the fact that a neck from a 70's precision bass can still be fretted and played should arouse suspicion immediately, they were never designed to last, they were modular, just buy a new neck, but the value is in originality and far too many confuse a botched up parts job with a collectors instrument these days. [/quote] Never designed to last? 40 years on and still going strong suggests there were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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