bremen Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 [quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1365583077' post='2041240'] hmm... not sure Flea is someone that you could say grooves. [/quote] http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=vvyL8E9WhEs&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DvvyL8E9WhEs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
risingson Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 (edited) [quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1365617082' post='2041924'] Didn't really want to make this about one player but in this example... he doesn't groove by any defintion I understand.so yes, I'd call him a rock player pure and simple ... [/quote] Interesting, I actually find that a tiny bit hard to believe myself (difficulties separating personal musical preference from it all maybe) but you're entitled to your opinion! Edited April 10, 2013 by risingson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 [quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1365617082' post='2041924'] Didn't really want to make this about one player but in this example... he doesn't groove by any defintion I understand.so yes, I'd call him a rock player pure and simple ... [/quote] What's the definition you understand though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Ok. Most music grooves, some to more of an extent than others. U2s Vertigo is rock with groove, rockers might argue it's funky. I wouldn't. Rock can be funky in as much as someone who listens to a lot of rock might think of funk. Funk music can be rocky in as much as someone who listens to a lot of funk might think of rock. Are there any true examples where the genres have fully crossed? Living Colour were supposed to be funk-rock. Listening back now I would say they were rock trying to be funky. It's a good debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 I think maybe the problem is that Rock tends to be 4 to the floor whereas funk is all about that 16th note at the end of the bar. So one song can't truly be both. So are we looking for an artist that has played in funk bands and rock bands in equal measures? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mog Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Goo Tube the following, Dan Maines Mike Dean Mike Inez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlapbassSteve Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 I think I might have missed something here! Definition of groove seems a big thing but overall the implication is that all players specialise in one style at the expense of others..? Playing in different styles is a part of being a well-rounded player, part of my grade 8 was doing a given chord sequence in plenty genres. I'd say I'm equally at home playing rock or something funky, and all stuff in between. Also... just because a player's band require a certain style, does that mean that's all they can do? For all I know the bassist in Cannibal Corpse is actually a closet funk-fanatic, but decided to join a metal band rather then yet another soul covers outfit..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny B Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 How could I forget this? This and the Chilis was really my gateway from the world of rock to the world of funk. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2nqZCSnN1U And this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzEJvHE_rEg Actually, just any live p-funk really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve-soar Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 [quote name='Lenny B' timestamp='1365623666' post='2042079'] How could I forget this? This and the Chilis was really my gateway from the world of rock to the world of funk. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2nqZCSnN1U[/media] And this... [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzEJvHE_rEg[/media] Actually, just any live p-funk really. [/quote]Spot on. mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMX Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 My favourite bass player Mic Todd (formerly of Coheed and Cambria) could groove like hell. But they rocked - his lines rocked in that context. My cop-out answer without actually saying much. *shrugs* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 [quote name='SlapbassSteve' timestamp='1365623558' post='2042077'] I think I might have missed something here! Definition of groove seems a big thing but overall the implication is that all players specialise in one style at the expense of others..? Playing in different styles is a part of being a well-rounded player, part of my grade 8 was doing a given chord sequence in plenty genres. I'd say I'm equally at home playing rock or something funky, and all stuff in between. ... [/quote] I've seen too many corporate and wedding bands to believe that playing any style of music is possible. You can fake it for your average listener but you'd be sussed instantly by anyone really in to that particular genre. I don't know why. It's the beauty of music. Imagine going into Newcastle and putting on a Geordie accent and learning a few phrases. How long could you carry it off? I saw a rock band at Butlins once. Very good, but something was missing. Everything they played was just too perfect, no rough edges. After a while I reconned they must have been session musicians put together by the events team especially for the season. Then I realised none of them had piercings or tattoos... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMX Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 In the same way a fat p-bass Arctic Monkeys track can groove. Perhaps I've missed the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthurhenry Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 [quote name='sykilz' timestamp='1365609420' post='2041784'] [media]http://youtu.be/mg3mUhGVCgo[/media] Groovy Rocky baby. [/quote] Correct. Doug (Dug) Pinnick fits the description better than any other player mentioned. Imagine if there were bass players unfamiliar with his work - unthinkable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamfist Posted April 10, 2013 Author Share Posted April 10, 2013 [quote name='Lenny B' timestamp='1365623666' post='2042079'] How could I forget this? This and the Chilis was really my gateway from the world of rock to the world of funk. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2nqZCSnN1U[/media] And this... [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzEJvHE_rEg[/media] Actually, just any live p-funk really. [/quote] You see, for me, neither of those songs has the tiniest bit of "rawk" in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamfist Posted April 10, 2013 Author Share Posted April 10, 2013 [quote name='sykilz' timestamp='1365609420' post='2041784'] [media]http://youtu.be/mg3mUhGVCgo[/media] Groovy Rocky baby. [/quote] And that, good sir, is rock. No funk in there. Can we please, please, please all stop using the word "groove" as we have established that it is a too ambiguous and widely defined word to be useful. My biggest problem is that I can listen to a song and instantly know whether a song is rock or funk according to my personal definitions, but can't articulate it accurately to save my life ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamfist Posted April 10, 2013 Author Share Posted April 10, 2013 [quote name='TimR' timestamp='1365625977' post='2042124'] I've seen too many corporate and wedding bands to believe that playing any style of music is possible. You can fake it for your average listener but you'd be sussed instantly by anyone really in to that particular genre. I don't know why. It's the beauty of music. Imagine going into Newcastle and putting on a Geordie accent and learning a few phrases. How long could you carry it off? [/quote] Good points, imaginatively expressed. Thankyou. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 (edited) [quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1365617082' post='2041924'] ...he doesn't groove by any definition I understand.so yes, I'd call him a rock player pure and simple... [/quote] Flea doesn't [i]groove[/i]? No... of course not... *backs slowly away from thread with fixed grin* Edited April 10, 2013 by discreet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthurhenry Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 (edited) [quote name='hamfist' timestamp='1365626916' post='2042141'] And that, good sir, is rock. No funk in there. Can we please, please, please all stop using the word "groove" as we have established that it is a too ambiguous and widely defined word to be useful. My biggest problem is that I can listen to a song and instantly know whether a song is rock or funk according to my personal definitions, but can't articulate it accurately to save my life ! [/quote] Since "Groove" is the first word in the title of this thread, I don't think we can do that. (Though I agree about its ambiguity.) Edited April 10, 2013 by arthurhenry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Sausage Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Really! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Sausage Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 I hate how groove has just become a byword for funk. rock music grooves, funk does, jazz does latin etc. I think it's small minded to separate it. It's also ignorant to think you can only play one style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myke Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 [quote name='TimR' timestamp='1365625977' post='2042124'] I've seen too many corporate and wedding bands to believe that playing any style of music is possible. You can fake it for your average listener but you'd be sussed instantly by anyone really in to that particular genre. [/quote] I'm unsure if you mean that this is a bad thing or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 [quote name='Myke' timestamp='1365628276' post='2042170'] I'm unsure if you mean that this is a bad thing or not? [/quote] It depends on your target audience. If you're that band on BBC Strictly then you're getting paid, the dancers get live music to dance to, the people at home think it sounds good, everybody's happy. But there's bound to be a critical bass player sitting at home wincing at the awfulness of it all, of course even he's happy because he gets to grumble about how cover bands can't funk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynottfan Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 I think that players can excel at both, but they tend to be in short supply imho. I have seen many great players, with mighty chops who can not rock, there is a certain put you head down and pray you survive attitude that is not a natural approach, especially when I have watched schooled players, yes they are great and yes they got all the techniques and the knowledge and the skill, but they can't rock for sh*te, when they try its contrived, I have seen this plenty of times so I tend to agree with the OP, but there exceptions to the rule, N W-R for me is the man at this, he is funky, he grooves like a mutha, but the man can Rock! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamfist Posted April 11, 2013 Author Share Posted April 11, 2013 [quote name='Lynottfan' timestamp='1365630455' post='2042215'] I think that players can excel at both, but they tend to be in short supply imho. I have seen many great players, with mighty chops who can not rock, there is a certain put you head down and pray you survive attitude that is not a natural approach, especially when I have watched schooled players, yes they are great and yes they got all the techniques and the knowledge and the skill, but they can't rock for sh*te, when they try its contrived, I have seen this plenty of times so I tend to agree with the OP, but there exceptions to the rule, N W-R for me is the man at this, he is funky, he grooves like a mutha, but the man can Rock! [/quote] God bless you sir. But, please, who is N W-R ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panamonte Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Norman Watt-Roy, I presume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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