basskit_case Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Hello, I have the Ashdown Lb30 head which I am currently using with the 112 cab, I have found a good deal on a 212 cab and was wondering if it would be worth the upgrade? Would it be possible to use both cabs at the some time, the 112 is 8ohm and the 212 is 4ohm? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTUK Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I doubt your amp pushes out below 4ohm..so you can't use both at that impedance, if that is the case. I don't know the head at all.... but 2 speakers will be far better than one so just the upgrade on cab alone should see a good improvement..plus you are driving the 4 ohm cab and the amp will go louder at that impedance than at 8ohms. If you like the 212, then you'll have the 112 to sell to offset the buy-in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icastle Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 The LB30 has matched outputs for either 4Ω or 8Ω speakers, but not both at the same time. Using 4Ω and 8Ω cabs at the same time gives you roughly 2.7Ω which is probably way below what the amp can handle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basskit_case Posted January 19, 2012 Author Share Posted January 19, 2012 Thanks for the responses, cab bought. [quote name='icastle' timestamp='1326968599' post='1504343'] Using 4Ω and 8Ω cabs at the same time gives you roughly 2.7Ω which is probably way below what the amp can handle. [/quote] Considering the above, I think JTUK's idea makes sense. [quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1326967165' post='1504307'] If you like the 212, then you'll have the 112 to sell to offset the buy-in [/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icastle Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 [quote name='basskit_case' timestamp='1326972908' post='1504442'] Considering the above, I think JTUK's idea makes sense. [/quote] Absolutely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franzbassist Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I use an LB30 with the LB212 cab. I have also tried it with the LB112. The LB112 sounds great in small rooms, but the 212 moves a lot of air in a decent size venue, plus it just sounds fuller and richer. A wise move I reckon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musky Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 [quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1326967165' post='1504307'] I doubt your amp pushes out below 4ohm..so you can't use both at that impedance, if that is the case. I don't know the head at all.... but 2 speakers will be far better than one so just the upgrade on cab alone should see a good improvement..plus you are driving the 4 ohm cab and the amp will go louder at that impedance than at 8ohms. If you like the 212, then you'll have the 112 to sell to offset the buy-in [/quote] The LB30 has a valve power section and so has different taps on the output transformer. The result is the same power at either 4 or 8 ohms... It'll still be louder with an additional speaker though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basskit_case Posted January 21, 2012 Author Share Posted January 21, 2012 Thanks for your help and advice on this, liking the 212 at the moment, probably will put the 112 up for sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete.young Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 If you want to try it with a 2x12 before you commit, drop me a PM and we'll work something out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanbean502 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I have the same setup and asked the very same question on another post. I also thought of buying a 2x12, but i wanted more headroom in a gigging situation. I took my LB30 to practice and plugged it in to a Hartke 4.5xl at 8ohms, cranked right up and using the active setting on my Kubicki pushing though the passive input and I still struggled to hear it over our band and I didn't see the needle drop out the red! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basskit_case Posted January 23, 2012 Author Share Posted January 23, 2012 [quote name='pete.young' timestamp='1327159150' post='1507200'] If you want to try it with a 2x12 before you commit, drop me a PM and we'll work something out. [/quote] Thanks very much for your kind offer Pete, but my 212 turned up on the Friday and I have been annoying the neighbours ever since, need to get the 112 listed in the for sale section. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanbean502 Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 [quote name='basskit_case' timestamp='1327354025' post='1509955'] Thanks very much for your kind offer Pete, but my 212 turned up on the Friday and I have been annoying the neighbours ever since, need to get the 112 listed in the for sale section. Thanks [/quote] Get in touch with tomhunt he was after my 112 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franzbassist Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 I'm keen on getting an original LB112 as well.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basskit_case Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 My 112, is in as new condition, with hanging tag and original packaging, anybody got an idea on price for it, there is only one sale thread for a 112 on Basschat and that had a price of £190, cannot see any on ebay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franzbassist Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 [quote name='basskit_case' timestamp='1327568014' post='1513342'] My 112, is in as new condition, with hanging tag and original packaging, anybody got an idea on price for it, there is only one sale thread for a 112 on Basschat and that had a price of £190, cannot see any on ebay. [/quote] Ah, the eternal question.... "how much is it worth?"! The cab that replaced the LB112, the VS112, seems to sell for £229, so I think £190 was a touch optimistic.... The LB cabs were made in limited numbers to go with the UK-made LB heads, so I guess they are quite rare. I'd love to have one, but it would need to be the 4 ohm version (which to be honest I thought all the UK LB cabs were?), and given how slow the market is at the moment now may not be the time to sell. Cheers Gareth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomBass Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 I was under the impression that the LB112 was 8 ohm, and the LB212 was 4 ohm. I believe the VS equivalents are all 8 ohm. Geoff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basskit_case Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 Thanks for the response Gareth. The 212 is 4 ohm and the 112 is 8 ohm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franzbassist Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 [quote name='RandomBass' timestamp='1327575029' post='1513486'] I was under the impression that the LB112 was 8 ohm, and the LB212 was 4 ohm. I believe the VS equivalents are all 8 ohm. [/quote] [quote name='basskit_case' timestamp='1327575064' post='1513487'] The 212 is 4 ohm and the 112 is 8 ohm. [/quote] Well, I stand corrected then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basskit_case Posted January 29, 2012 Author Share Posted January 29, 2012 Forgot to say that I emailed Ashdown on this matter and got the following response. Cheers [color=#454545][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3][left] [quote] [color=#454545][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3][left][font="Arial"][size="2"][color="#0000ff"]Your LB head has an 8 ohm speaker output which you should be using with your 112 cab..[/color][/size][/font][/size][/font][/color][/left] [color=#454545][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3][left][font="Arial"][size="2"][color="#0000ff"]You can use the LB112 AND 212 cabs together, but, you will need to remove the 112 from the 8 ohm output and[/color][/size][/font][/size][/font][/color][/left] [color=#454545][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3][left][font="Arial"][size="2"][color="#0000ff"]connect one of the cabs into the 4 OHM output then link that cab to the second one.. Do not use the 8 Ohm output..[/color][/size][/font][/size][/font][/color][/left] [color=#454545][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3][left][font="Arial"][size="2"][color="#0000ff"]You rig will not give any more power out of the head but will sound mite louder because you will be driving more air[/color][/size][/font][/size][/font][/color][/left] [color=#454545][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3][left][font="Arial"][size="2"][color="#0000ff"]with two cabs.[/color][/size][/font][/size][/font][/color][/left][/quote][/size][/font][/color][/left] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomBass Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 So basically the 4 ohm output will handle 2.67 ohms. I think that is what view are saying? Cheers Geoff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomBass Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Damn predictive txt. Lol That should read, I think that is what they are saying. Geoff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franzbassist Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 (edited) Interesting... Edited January 29, 2012 by walbassist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eude Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Hey guys, sorry to revive an "oldish" thread, but was wondering if any of you can help? Have any of you tried the newer Ashdown 1x12 cabs, the VS-112's? Particularly running a pair of them? I'm looking to get a 2 x 1x12 rig later this year and these little cabs have got my attention, for two reasons, I'm quite keen to buy an Ashdown setup if I can find what works for me, will probably end up with a MiBass head, but the price on these lil' pups is almost too good to be true... Cheers, Eude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franzbassist Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 I'd imagine there's little difference between the LB112 and the VS112. I'd say go for it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eude Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 [quote name='walbassist' timestamp='1334679210' post='1619652'] I'd imagine there's little difference between the LB112 and the VS112. I'd say go for it! [/quote] I know they're heavier, I guess as they've got ceramic drivers instead of the LB neo jobbies. Reckon they'll fairly versatile? I like a fairly clean full, lots of low mids, and a little bit modern sound. I know most of that will come from the head, but do you think the cabs will be able to deliver that kind of tone? Eude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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