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[quote name='Fraktal' post='583440' date='Aug 28 2009, 12:21 PM']I dont want to start a flame war here, but I think that wasnt an opinion, more like a common sense fact. Lets go back to 1960, when the Jazz Bass was released. Now think about the clothing people used to wear back in those days. Think about 1960 furniture, cars, electrodomestics or anything else. [b]Would you say those designs arent outdated?[/b] Would you prefer to use "old-fashioned" as the word here? The designs of that age (late 50's-early 60's) are outdated from a technical/design/engineering point of view. On the aesthetics side, they are old-fashioned. Some of us may like old stuff, but that doesnt transform it magically into contemporary/new/modern stuff. Again, please try to understand that is not my aim to bash Fender, Im just saying its a late 50's design.[/quote] No flaming intended but.... Not 'outdated' or 'old-fashioned' at all but 'classic'. The Shuker cited by the OP is, like most modern bass designs (in fact like most contemporary design in whatever field), IMHO, ugly and in fifty years no one will remember it. 'New' can't beat 'old' merely because it is 'new' (and vice versa) but anyway the Fender designs are not merely 'old' they are 'classic' and will remain so. Your view would seem to imply that, for example, Oasis are better than the Beatles because they are newer and less old-fashioned. It makes no sense at all, let alone common sense.

The neck looks out of alignment with the bridge. Horrible.

[quote name='Sibob' post='581157' date='Aug 26 2009, 11:21 AM']I enquired, but at 26 I'm passed it....even though I regularly get mistaken for 19-21 lol Si[/quote] [quote name='alexharvay' post='581428' date='Aug 26 2009, 02:36 PM']At 25 I'm also past it, even though I look 21 and play with guys younger than me.[/quote] You both need to learn how to lie about your age - just like you did when you were 15. I've been lying about my age for so long that I can't remember how old I am.

[quote name='Jean-Luc Pickguard' post='582455' date='Aug 27 2009, 02:04 PM']It'll hurt to see it go, but apparently I 'have too many basses'. Whatever that means. My lovely 1997 Shell Pink Squier Vista musicmaster bass isn't getting much use since I got my mustang, so its up on eBay. [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270447923050"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...em=270447923050[/url] [/quote] That is cute.

Twenty-five years ago I used a pair of Electrovoice PA 1x15 bins driven by HH amps for bass backline. Sounded great out front (apparently) but I used to have trouble hearing myself on stage.

[quote name='leftybassman392' post='582679' date='Aug 27 2009, 05:23 PM']A little something to get the collective little grey cells working: India has the Sitar originating from the thirteenth century (technically a member of the lute family); Persia has the Setar, dating from about the birth of Islam (i.e. around 7th/8th century and also a type of lute) Ancient Greece had the Cithara (Latin spelling) or Kithara (no 'c' in the Greek alphabet) - a type of lyre; Italy has a traditional folk instrument called a Chitarra that dates back several hundred years at least - somewhat similar to a modern classical guitar; We have the guitar. What, if any, is the connection? Not a trick question or one I know the answer to, but the etymology is striking. Problem is - all these instruments are lute based or lute derived, except the Kithara... the Greeks had a lute - but it had a completely different name (Pandoura)[/quote] All those words - [i]sitar[/i], [i]setar[/i], [i]kithara[/i], [i]cithara[/i], [i]chitarra[/i], [i]guitar[/i] (as well as probably several others such as [i]zither[/i] and [i]cittern[/i]) - will be cognates in various members of the Indo-European language family. So they are all originally the same word but over time their pronunciations have changed and their meanings have drifted from each other but not totally away from meaning a stringed instrument of one kind or another. [quote][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guitar"]Wikipedia says[/url]: Precursors of the guitar can be traced back as much as 4000 years to an Indo-European origin of stringed instruments once known in central Asia and India. For this reason guitars are distantly related to contemporary instruments from these regions, including the tanbur, setar and sitar, among others. The oldest known iconographic representation of an instrument displaying the essential features of a guitar is a 3,300 year old stone carving of a Hittite bard. The modern word, guitar, was adopted into English from Spanish guitarra (German Gitarre, French Guitare), loaned from the medieval Andalusian Arabic qitara, itself derived from the Latin cithara, which in turn came from the earlier Greek word kithara, a descendant of Old Persian sihtar (Tar means string in Persian).[/quote] There will be other groups of cognates relating to instruments such as (I'm guessing now) [i]violin[/i], [i]vihuela[/i], and [i]veena[/i]. Not much of an answer to the question asked though.

[quote name='leftybassman392' post='582444' date='Aug 27 2009, 01:58 PM']And replied.[/quote] Thank you.

[quote name='Clarky' post='582984' date='Aug 27 2009, 10:32 PM']I prefer the gold Jazz underneath![/quote] Yep.

[quote name='edstraker123' post='582970' date='Aug 27 2009, 10:19 PM']Thought I'd have a look at Jon Shuker's site this afternoon and came across the 4 string Uberhorn. I don't think I've ever seen a bass as beautiful as this. [url="http://www.shukerguitars.co.uk/stock.htm"]http://www.shukerguitars.co.uk/stock.htm[/url] What do you think ?[/quote] Not my kind of thing at all. Not even slightly good looking and a long way from beautiful. And at that price I'd expect the J pickup to have the correct string spacing to be fitted properly.

[quote name='OutToPlayJazz' post='582494' date='Aug 27 2009, 02:43 PM']I've had two Ashdown setups. The EB180 combo did it's job just fine & the MAG 300 Evo II 1x15 and 2x10 cab I had more recently sounded great. Only reason I sold it was that I didn't need it anymore. Stupidly heavy, though. I never had any problems with my Ashdown stuff, [b]but a friend had the MAG 250 combo which was always going wrong[/b]. Another friend went through three amps under warranty until he found one that worked properly. Perhaps Ashdowns are a bit like Fender basses. You have to dig through a pile of crap before you find a gem. Now I use my MarkBass rig exclusively for bigger jobs, but most of the time I use my Roland Bass Cube 100. It's usually more than ample. Rich.[/quote] Strange isn't it. I have a MAG250 combo that has never gone wrong.

[quote name='leftybassman392' post='581988' date='Aug 26 2009, 10:55 PM']Hey guys. Just an update to let you know I haven't forgotten about doing this stuff. I think it will be easiest to use PM's to send it to you - that way other people won't have to wade through it, and we can hopefully avoid cheap shots of the 'well it's all Greek to me...' variety. Perhaps we could use the thread to discuss matters arising. Just a thought... Andy p.s. For the benefit of those who are reading this and feeling slightly baffled, a thread appeared a little while ago on the subject of modes. I have studied the ancient Greeks (who gave their name to the modes) and their music in some depth, and offered to give others a bit of an insight. Several people accepted the offer and now here we are. If you would like to have your name added to the mailing list then please PM me, but be warned that it's kind of technical. First mailing will cover some background issues - Instruments, musicians, language issues, etc. I'll try to send stuff around once every couple of weeks from there and we'll see how it goes.[/quote] Andy, I'd much appreciate being in on that if possible. PM sent.

[quote name='ironside1966' post='578566' date='Aug 23 2009, 09:16 PM']Old dogs and new tricks Although I am a firm believer in you never stop learning. Is it possible for someone who has been playing along time to go from a good standard to a really high stranded?[/quote] A new trick might be playing a different genre that you have not entertained before.

I like my bands either to have a talented musical director who is an enlightened despot or to be an anarchist cooperative where we all say yes or we don't do it.

[quote name='Beedster' post='580233' date='Aug 25 2009, 02:07 PM']Don't spoil it mate, I'm really looking forward to when this thread is at 30 pages and someone comes on and says "it was me, what's all the fuss about". In fact, if it get's beyond 20 before he owns up I'll send the guy a bass-related pressie![/quote] Well, if he reads your offer Chris before he owns up, he'll wait for page 21.

[quote name='lateralus462' post='580139' date='Aug 25 2009, 01:01 PM']Yup - the 900 is basically the ABM pre with 2 500 watt power amps.[/quote] Yep, I've run a pair of Ampeg 8x10s off an ABM900 - it was loud. It was not wooly.

[quote name='thebeat' post='579500' date='Aug 24 2009, 08:24 PM']Andrew Bodnar played bass on that track.[/quote] And on Elvis Costello's [i]Watching the Detectives[/i], I believe.

I was in Lanzarote - 41 degrees.

[quote name='silverfoxnik' post='579856' date='Aug 25 2009, 09:12 AM']Hi Folks Quick question: how many of you would like to have someone doing set-ups at the Bash? We have a couple of good people in mind but need to gauge strength of interest first before confirming... Thanks Nik [/quote] Definitely yes - as long as they are better at it than me - which ought not to be too difficult.

[quote name='Protium' post='579529' date='Aug 24 2009, 08:44 PM']Not many people have the brain power to figure out a mix of sliders and rotary controls...[/quote] And push buttons.

Very nice Wes. I'm sometimes dubious about relicing but I got to say that looks real.

I've used several Ashdown items and never had a problem. MAG250 1x15 combo (old and made in England) and a Mini 1x15 (Chinese) - I often use the two 1x15s with a Little Mark head. Used to use an ABM 900 EVO with Ampeg 8x10 too. Never been unhappy, never had problems.

[quote name='chris_b' post='569314' date='Aug 14 2009, 06:06 PM']The idea of this vid is great, but, I'm obviously in a minority here; that tone is so far away from what I like that this demo doesn't show me what these cabs can do at all! Can you do the whole thing again with the bass sounding like, well, a bass?[/quote] +1 - I thought the Barefaced easily sounded best but still way too trebly for my liking. I do realise that 'you had to be there' to get the 'real' sound - however good my headphones are.

[quote name='BurritoBass' post='569637' date='Aug 14 2009, 11:47 PM']I think they are all pretty readily available still too[/quote] They had at least two in Brighton GAK yesterday.