Jack

This thread is proof that being in the majority of a vote doesn't necessarily make something the correct choice. I'm trying to think of another example, maybe a newsworthy and topical one, to prove my point... 😀

The RCF 3 series will probably be the equal of a bass combo that costs the same amount, which is to say that they'll do a lot for stage monitoring and would cover a quiet gig by themselves, but there will be some situation when they'd be underpowered. If you want one speaker to rule them all you'll need to step up the RCF 7 series. They're closer to £1000 but then so is a really great bass rig. The savings to using an FRFR over an amp are usually weight, size and dispersion, not so much pure, hard cash.

Hah, this shows you how long it's been since we switched to using the guitarist's laptop and I stopped paying attention! EBS is right, ethernet is just for control. My point about the behringer only recording stereo to a usb memory stick still stands, you have to use a pc and a daw (connected via USB not ethernet!!) to have all 18 tracks pre processing. So you do still need a seperate PC to have 'proper' recording. The A&H and a few other mixers can do every track straight to a memory stick which is the superior solution IMO. One less thing to worry about.

Yes, it's technically superior for sure. However, the major drawback is that recording via ethernet requires another pc on the other end of the ethernet cable. You've then got to plug that pc into the wall, plug the ethernet cable in, turn it on, fire up a DAW, setup the channels, etc. It's much easier to just plug a usb memory stick into a port on the mixer.

Oh man, too right. We used to use a rackmounted pc with Ubuntu Studio on it, now we use the guitarist's laptop. The Behringer will do every channel (pre everything) but only over ethernet. The advantage to your Mackie (or I want the A&H) is that it does it direct to USB. My Behringer will only do stereo L+R to USB. Still it means we get every gig for just us to listen to (go over mistakes and that) and when we can bothered to set up a proper laptop we can have everything to mix later in a DAW.

You're welcome, sorry I quoted your post but I'm aware that it was also aimed at @Frank Blank. If you think of those rackmount mixers as mixers then they're versatile bits of kit. If you start to think of them as loads of inputs connected to a really flexible and reasonably powerful PC then they're truly astounding. I use the XR18 in two bands (with a scene for each band instantly recallable) and I love it. I lust after the Allen and Heath QUSB. Next time, maybe.

The problem with that is that anything else plugged into the mixer would need an identical channel in each scene. As in, say you have a vocal mix plugged in channel 1. When you change a scene to move from bass to guitar, you'll need an identical channel 1 set up for the vocal mic in the new scene. If youv'e changed a setting or something on the vocal channel it'll get really tedious having to scroll through lots of scenes to change it in all of them. The other thing to do (as long as you have more channels than instruments) is have a virtual channel per instrument in the mixer (say, channel 1 for bass, channel 2 for guitar, etc) and then you can use midi to assign any given physical input on the mixer to any virtual channel. That way each instrument's channel would always be live and you would negate any scene issues. So there's one cable from your place on stage to the mixer, but you're using midi to essentially really quickly unplug that cable from one channel and plug in into the next. Mind you, I'd just have a channel per instrument and live with having several cables, no midi needed!....

It has to be the absolute winner in terms of cm^3 per £. You could land a helicopter on it. You know, that might be a selling point. Maybe.

You say that as if you don't...

So, setting up a scope under Linux is a right chew on. I used to have a separate Ubuntu Studio PC that has a great scope application on it, but it's right pain to get that working on a normal desktop. I was able to take some very rough measurements using the RTA analyser on my XR18, but it's not what you'd call precise. It looks as though the bass control is shelving, with maybe an 80 or 100Hz knee. The mids are pretty wide and centered somewhere around 600Hz. The treble control starts affecting the sound at around 1.6Khz and its very extreme by around 4KHz. Pre-Shape cuts a wide swath around 1.5Khz.

Yes, the manual, packaging and advertising copy are definitely some of the areas where they've saved money. IIRC I think mine just came in a plain cardboard box.

I have both of the behringers. They are great preamps, but no good for this application as the tube was put there by the marketing department and not the engineering department. They don't really sound 'tubey'.

The obvious answer is a 4u case... That way there's room for a wireless and a tuner. 😇

Can you elaborate on this some more please? If there's a way to easily daisy chain this I'd be grateful. I've been using a polarity inverter cable so far and it's been fine but I'd like a less forgettable solution!

3 votes for common sense and yet:

Hey guys, Is there a consensus? I'd always applied the hook to the board, and the loop to the pedals, that way when one takes a pedal off a board and uses it on it's own the pedal doesn't pick up all the rubbish in the velcro and ruin the carpet. That seemed to make sense to me and for many years there was joy. Nowadays, with the advent of the internet, camera phones, 'show your board' threads and the BC marketplace, it seems as though most people prefer the hook on the pedal. Am I missing something?

OBBM's are definitely the best. Honestly cables do just break, don't sweat it.

Phil covered all the good stuff, all that's left for me to do is to confirm his suspicion, the reason you get them on acoustic instruments and amps is because they feed back really easily at room resonance type frequencies. It can be useful on electric bass too in a very howly room. No, but I've been itching to use a proper scope for ages, this might be a good excuse...

Thanks, Cameron. This is good to hear. Funny, that... 😎