Jack

I'm surprised it's THAT obvious, I wonder what other factors are at play. However, I/we said as much

Ooof, I bought mine for about £60 new as well, and sold it for like £25 iirc.

Rack tuners are some of the most fun you can have with bass gear for £100 or so. I had a Korg that was brilliant, sat in a rack with my Helix.

As do the Korg pedal tuners. There's the pedaltrain one as well, which is very small.

We've been booked to play a pub since last year. However, Newcastle United did a football thing and it turns out that our 4pm gig yesterday afternoon is going to be right in the middle of the cup final right? So a week or so ago the pub, very professionally, apolgoetically, and understandably, asks us if they can move the gig to a 6:15 ish start (or after extra time, etc), basically aim to keep people in the pub by starting as soon as the match has finished. This is fine, one point of clarification though, for a 6:15 start we'll need to start setting up at 5pm at the latest. Can we set up during the match, soundcheck at 6 then start 615? Yes, no problem, stage area will be clear all afternoon. So, we got there at about 445 and there's no room inside at all, you have to fight through a crowd just to get to the bar. Landlady said she had to put tables on the stage as it was so full. Can we wait around until 6 to setup? Still start at 615? No, that's not possible. Oh well then, set up at 6, start about 8ish then go home at like 11? Yeah, no. So, home by 530.

So interesting I posted it twice.

If the gear is identical in the signal chain after the mic, then the issue is before the mic. Is one singer much louder? Better mic technique? More cogent of where the speakers are whilst they're on their walkabout?

Well the news that they are now worth their weight in cocaine has come as a surprise. I suddenly feel very middle class, looking down on you plebs with your cheap gear. On a serious note though I think you're squeezing a balloon trying to find the perfect set of tops, just buy a sub.

Don't knock the cheap and cheerful, my hard rock band is going on for 12 years with an Alto system!

How many pairs of tops have you been through now Al?

I own a pair of the K12.2 and our band pa was upgraded from 712 to 732. Our drummer owns the 712s (that we used to use as tops) and when we decided we needed more we bought the 732s as a band. I haven't used the 900 series. Assuming that they are roughly equivalent to the 700 series (but probably a little better) then I would say that the QSCs are meaningfully much better than the 912 and very slightly better than the 932, that's certainly the way they sit with the 712 and 732. This is in response to @Pirellithecat asking about use as an FRFR cabinet for bass mind, where the deeper bass extension, dsp presets and better monitor position matter quite a lot. When we needed PA tops we replaced the 712 with the 732, all of the advantages of the QSC didn't matter for that application and the RCFs where cheaper, sounded just as good and matched our subs. EDIT - Also I just checked and I paid £1348 for the pair including the (nicest I've seen) bags. So that's a little over £600 per QSC. Over 50% in 2 years price increase.

Can't recommend the qsc k12.2 enough.

Do 15s inherently produce more bass than 10s? No. The drivers in my earbuds prove that. Can they? Yes, or at least they can produce more bass at louder volumes more easily. The average 15 pa cab has space for a bigger magnet (that can handle more power) in a bigger box that can be tuned lower. It's absolutely true that cone size is not a valid indicator of 'tone', but it's also true that you don't get too many 8" subwoofers at a Metallica arena gig.

I'm all for the smallificiation of gear but there are plenty of people on here who would look at a 2x10" cab and balk that it wouldn't be enough for them as backline. Asking the same amount of speaker (even if they're better drivers supplemented with with horns) to produce the whole band for the whole crowd is expecting a lot from not that much.

Nah man, my Fender P with passive DiMarzios is hotter than my Stingray with a John East. Sad to hear that the newer amp is cleaner. I've got stuff for that, it's old school rock n roll I'm missing.

From those two yes. Shape can matter more than weight to me, and I have a feeling it'll be a more capable cabinet when you and your friends start getting drunk and playing acdc. I'd be driving to get that Barefaced though. 🤐

I know the frustration of asking a question and getting an answer to a different one. Out of those two cabs I think the 2x10 would be a little better, I know the specs say that it doesn't go as low but I would argue that you'll probably not be getting close to either cab's limit with your situation so that probably doesn't matter so much. It's the old supercar analogy isn't it? One can do 160mph, the other 180mph, which is faster? Neither, the speed limit is 70mph. At that point, other factors become more important, such as your 'getting the cab down the stairs' requirement. Having said that, IME the wise old owls suggesting that you look outside of the Warwick range are probably right here. I've owned 5 Barefaced cabs (although admittedly none of the retro ones) and they've all been amazing, the Barefaced 1x10 would likely be perfect for you. The best small cabinets I've ever used have been from GSS. The 1x12 is truly stunning (and half the weight of the Warwick 210).

They're Warwick.

Hi Roger, speaker size really has very little to do with the tone. Well actually that's not quite true but the point is that it's just not as simple a question as you're making it out to be. From the two cabinets you mention I'd probably suggest the 210 for you. It's a bit taller to get the sound out better and it'll be narrower on the stairs. Do be aware though that it's 4 ohm, and you won't be able to add another. I think, given your volume requirements, that shouldn't be a problem. Most importantly, welcome to bass and basschat!

Small pub gig for The White Line at The Bluebell in Jesmond. It was a little weird for me, they've only really just started putting bands on so it was the first time I've ever played there but it was a student hangout for 3 years straight. I feel like I know every millimeter of the place. Gig was solid, we played well and were asked back but I felt a little bit of apathy from the crowd to be honest, plenty of people singing along and such but just really sitting in their seats and not really getting involved. Thanks much to the three drunk ladies who at least danced for the encore. "Could have been a jukebox", the occasional curse of the pub band. At this point a rig shot seems redundant but it seems to be expected. The only thing that's changed in the past 3 years or so is that my venerable Samsung SMT800 stopped charging properly after the last gig, so this gig was the first with my brand new Amazon Fire HD10 to control the mixer and it performed flawlessly. Bass was my 2007 EBMM Ray 4, Shure GLXD, HX Stomp. Vocals were a sore throat, Prodipe TT1 Pro, K&M 25600. Foldback was a QSC K12.2 with a lot of vocals and a small amount of bass, high passed at the same 120Hz we do our tops at. Post gig pizza was pepperoni from On The Go Pizza. Is that enough? Can I go now?

I'd imagine that the user error would be roughly the same whether it was a DI or a mic.

What makes you think the PA doesn't get tuned for the room? What makes you think there's a way a bass cab should sound? Do you just want 100% accurate reproduction? What if that doesn't work?