chris_b

Provide your own eels.

In the loud band, when I owned Bergs I used 3 112 cabs, then a 212 and 112. Now I'm using BF cabs I always use 2 SC's or lately 2 Two10's. The guitarist uses a Fender Twin which he sometimes links up to second combo. I could use 1 cab on the "regular" gigs, it's loud enough, but I've used 2 cabs (BF, Bergs, Mesa Boogie, Ampeg) on most gigs for many years because 2 just sounds so much better.

I thought my post was pretty clear. The only way Fender is going to dig itself out of it's hole is to use these new lines to address "unhappy" customer experiences with previous products. I don't know the problems you mention, but if the reality is that Fender are still employing people who can't be bothered to set up a CNC machine properly then they are still in big trouble. If they don't get it right this time then IMO it's curtains for Fender. As far as I can see, the price fixing thing is an investigation to see if there should be an investigation, and not what my post was about.

I don't dislike them. I wouldn't listen for a long time though. I still like the bass player.

What a great bass sound that guy had on I Wish.

You can dislike him, his music and performance (I'm not a huge fan) but trying to tear holes in his technical and musical ability. . . . you're having a laugh!!!

It wouldn't work in my loud band but I could easily gig with a stand-alone SM in my other bands. There wouldn't be as much low end as with the SC (pretty big) or BB2 (huge), but I don't think "lacking" is the right word at all. In the right circumstances there would be enough low end for me. IMO all these cabs are great stand-alone solutions and they easily pair with themselves and each other. Alex seems to have thought this through, and they compliment each other. Which cab(s) you chose is purely down to your sound preference and playing circumstances.

The reason Alex has a successful company and selling his cabs all around the world is because whatever others may wonder, he knows this stuff and you can be sure that he's taken care of all the technical downsides. That doesn't guarantee that you'll like the sound of his cabs but they'll do exactly the job he specifies on the website. Al, the Super Midget complimented my Super Compact perfectly. I was running 2 SC's at the time and the SC + SM gave me slightly less bottom end and a lot more mids, punch and top. Which is exactly what I expected from a smaller 112 with a tweeter. The pair of them went very loud, sounded very fat, full and clear and shook the room.

You can call Barefaced and ask to try any of their demo cabs. If they have one there they will say "come over". I borrowed a demo Super Midget for a week earlier in the year. They are very accommodating.

. . . and this. If you think that two 112 cabs will sound twice as good as one 112 cab, prepare to be amazed. They will sound a lot better than that.

Much better? That's a very subjective question. I use BF cabs and IMO they are "better" cabs (ie go louder, better sonic attributes and lighter) and sound "better" (to me for what I want to sound like), but if the tone isn't for you then it doesn't matter how much "better" they are. I've seen people put off by cabs at this level because they sound "different". They will produce sound that is clearer which people can dislike. I like that because it lets me cut through and makes me play better. As you already know, this is not the cheap option. But if you think the differences in tone between your old gear and this are "better" then IMO this upgrade is worth every penny.

They all look good and so does no guard. IMO the black guard looks better with the cream body. -1000 for using screws. +100 for double sided tape.

Love the sound? Just want more volume? Add the extension cab and get more volume and tone.

. . . . "Standing on the shoulders of giants".

Thinking about it, the only problems I've ever had during set up have been with week-end warrior types. Most of guys I play with turn up with small gear, set it up then move it into place when the drummer has finished. If someone mentions a problem the reply is usually, "OK, what do you need me to do?"

Leave enough room for everyone. Sounds simple and obvious but I turned up late one night and the guys had already set up. . . and left no space for the bass at all! They just looked blankly at me when I asked where they expected me to go, and then got a bit ratty when I told them all to move up to make room. What a bunch of idiots!!

I wish I played in a band with the imagination to play some of this stuff.

How can you love the Genz when you have these issues with your sound? EBS harsh top end, Berg sounds sterile. I'd say this amp must have something to do with these problems. I used an Aguilar TH500 with my Bergs and the sound was full and warm. A lot of top players use EBS cabs and get a great sound. The other thing is that cabs of this quality will expose any "issues" with your playing, because they are clearer and every note will stand out. That's part of what makes them what makes them great cabs. IMO whatever cab you get you have to replace that amp as well with something better.

I'm guessing that if you pushed the amp too hard it would eventually overheat and shut down. I tried running 2 4 ohm cabs but to do that I daisy chained 2 amps, each running a cab.

In really dull meetings I used to relieve the boredom by trying to write my notes with my left hand. I only got about 5% of the info down but the time went really quickly.

How much "tax reasons"? Would it stretch to a Bergantino B|amp and a couple of HDN112's?

I played the St Moritz when I was at school. It was a shitty dump even then.

For vertically aligned, Barefaced, Bergantino and Genzler. All top quality cabs that should do any job asked of them. I'd also suggest looking at 2 112's. Initially more expensive but, depending on your requirements, maybe a lot more flexible. Keep an eye on the Classifieds.

Is this only a backup head? How often will it be used? Is 200 watts going to be enough? That's about 100 watts into an 8 ohm cab. A small amp is one thing but a good small amp might be a different thing. I'd have a listen to GK heads and take it from there. I would be looking at the MB500 as a minimum.

The links in the older posts were broken when the site was upgraded, but should still be usable via cut/paste into Google. https://www.basschat.co.uk/topic/295011-the-jazz-funk-thread/?tab=comments#comment-3171887 https://www.basschat.co.uk/topic/70165-funk-and-groove/?tab=comments#comment-679477 https://www.basschat.co.uk/topic/319051-the-soul-funk-and-groove-thread/?tab=comments#comment-3454834