prowla

The issue is about deceit, you are right, and selling an instrument with a fake logo on it is deceit. You are the one who is acting like a control freak, wanting to define your own set of rules which somehow trump the site rules and the law of the land. Luckily you don't define either, and furtunately never will.

Don't start with the fish fingers again, old bean!

Hahahaha - that was a good 'un!

Well, you haven't read all of the thread then; there have been some in agreement and the rules covering it have been cited by the mods. All that's left then is a group of people arguing that it's OK to turn a blind eye to the rules (which have been quoted and linked) and the law (which has also been quoted and linked). If you've got some time over the hols, try watching 12 Angry Men - it's a great movie.

I swear I looked there! https://www.basschat.co.uk/rules/ rule 6.c

Bloody fat fingers (will correct!).

The old something is wrong but it's OK because nobody was hurt ploy... But (at least) one was bought believing it to be a real Fender and they all break the previously printed site rules. At least one's title says "Fender", which it isn't.

No - that's already been discussed; saying that there is an issue with fake logos cannot be extrapolated to saying therefore nothing can be sold. And yes, a solution has been given.

I'll give you that one. But can they then couple those two disparate parts with a load of other 3rd party components and call it a Fender? It's clearly another edge-case (just like the earlier Squier replacement neck one) and I wouldn't remove the branding.

Because they infringe copyright and trademark, as detailed in the rules which were printed earlier.

The infringe copyright and trademark laws, regardless of what's printed in the description.

Well, apart from the acknowledged Limelight one (shall we call it a "misconception", though it clearly demonstrates the power of the logo) we're over to my 40% re. the trademark/copyright. Is the "Fender Custom Jazz" effectively a clickbait deception. But regardless, they all have Fender logos.

Each of them has a Fender logo on it - which ones would you say are genuine Fenders?

I participated but not instigated.

Here are some examples of Fender logo'd instruments from this month's bass classifieds: I may have missed some for December and I didn't go back further.

Thanks - I looked at the abridged rules which are in the selling section: So, actually, it looks like the rules already state (my bold) "... Provide any content that may give rise to civil or criminal liability of the Administrators, or that may constitute or be considered a violation of any local, national or international law, including -- but not limited to -- laws relating to copyright, trademark, patent, or trade secrets.". Which kind of covers it : fake logos are a violation of copyright and trademark! Can you link to those T&Cs, please, as I couldn't find them!

Darn - I could've sworn I typed an 'n' there!

As I say, I'll get back if I spot any. I'll be honest and say that, because I look at many sites, I may have an overall picture rather than a site-specific one, and will also repeat that the OP was triggered by a couple of things which happened to coincide.

As I said, if people want to do things in their own bedroom, then that's up to them. It only turns into an issue (from the point of ads) when they decide to sell it. Your example of the replacement part for your Squier is an interesting one and I'm surprised nobody has brought up a similar argument already; my thought would be that were you to sell it, it would be fine if you included the original neck and declared the replacement one. My opinion is that the part(s) bearing the serial number define its brand. That said, for a sub-£100 bass, a decent replacement neck may be worth more than the rest anyway!

I'm guessing that something like this has been discussed before and one example should be all that is required. There is also the counter argument that if someone posts something which is a fake, then there is no basis in the current rules to deny them. But If I see more, I'll flag them up!

A bit like Neil with his "Martial" cab.

I think you've come across as a decent person.

I put it to you that it was you who in fact started the fake food analogies!

Well, if I were to, I would've prepared a business case in advance, formulated a product strategy, and practiced responses to possible questions. However, this isn't Dragon's Den and this thread is a discussion. :-)

Someone introduced breakfast cereals into the conversation and it wasn't me!