T-bay :Did you own an AGRO? I've tried or owned OD's like the Soul food, valvedrive, runoffgroove B15 clone, sft, and the Aguilar goes way further in the distortion territory, though it is not a Dr Scientist Elements. Anyways I did not want to have the last word, only to follow the line Holt drawed with his first question, as this kind of questions can get you totally lost in the answers very quickly. .