BetaFunk

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1418896705' post='2634504'] Sigh.... [u]this[/u] is Funk. There's so much more..... [/quote] You're so right about there being more than three of them.

http://youtu.be/73qJPLZxNi0

[quote name='crag42' timestamp='1418891951' post='2634407'] I class them as a bit funky.... It's hard to categorise them I suppose. .. What I suppose I actually meant was can you recommend me more music in the style of Rock candy funk party [/quote] Yes they are slightly funky but definitely not a Funk band. Funky and Funk are two different things. Don't worry though as they couldn't seem to work that out in the BBC documentary about Funk that was on a couple of weeks ago either.

This is FUNK........... [media]http://youtu.be/fBkmXbs4Tso[/media] http://youtu.be/aBkVV9xxCHE

[quote name='crag42' timestamp='1418859506' post='2634292'] I maybe didn't mean jazz funk then. ..probably more just funk. ... anything of that vibe was what I meant [/quote] Funk it is then but that's a million miles away from Rock Candy Funk Party who don't seem to have a funky bone in sight to me.

[quote name='crag42' timestamp='1418859317' post='2634288'] yeah probably right. . Whatever genre it is I love it [/quote] It's Funk

[quote name='mentalextra' timestamp='1418857332' post='2634249'] [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co3FzW89EpY"]https://www.youtube....h?v=co3FzW89EpY[/url] How about this [/quote] That is not Jazz Funk

That's funny because i always hear barking on this..... http://youtu.be/k3-1Of-dBIg

I had to take Dark Side Of The Moon back to the shop where i bought it many years ago because of the awful sounds i could hear on it. Turns out there was nothing wrong with it.

I wouldn't say that RCFP are Jazz/Funk more like just doing what Steve Morse and loads more were doing 30+ years ago. Jazz/Funk is a different thing altogether.

It's fashion. Simple as that. Soon everyone will want nice shiny guitars and basses without a mark on them until that fad wears off and the fashion changes yet again. Stick around long enough and everything comes round again.

I thought i heard someone shout 'I wanna hear caravan with a drum solo' on a Frank Zappa record once.

Barre Phillips, Palle Danielsen, Barry Guy and Jean Francois Jenny-Clarke are four major figures in jazz. I assumed (wrongly) that everyone would have heard of them who goes on a double bass forum.

[quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1418751048' post='2632966'] I don't get it. Sorry [/quote] It's just music and you're listening to four brilliant double bass players. What's there to 'get'?

Have either of you heard of the bass players on the record?

It's all a bit too smooooooth for me.

I don't play Double Bass but just wondered what any players thought about this. Barre Phillips, Barry Guy, Palle Danielsen, JF Jenny-Clarke plus the great Stu Martin.

I liked Eberhard Weber in his own groups but often found him a bit overpowering as a side man. His tone/sound is so distinctive that i just listen to him and no one else. The early Pat Metheny and Gary Burton albums on ECM are examples of that. Some artists were made for that ECM sound in those early days (Paul Motian Trio, Steve Kuhn, Keith Jarrett, Steve Tibbetts, Terje Rypdal) and Eicher and Kongshaug got the best out of them but with a lot of others that corporate sound didn't work for me. the label was often criticised at the time for being sterile and a bit too clean sounding for jazz and nearly all of the albums got 3 stars or average reviews at the time. Even the Pat Metheny albums were thought of as simply 'nice' although Metheny suffered in those days for not really being in either the Jazz or Rock camp as far as journalists were concerned.

ECM were good at promoting artists back then as well. I would imagine that artists on ECM reached a wider audience that they probably would through smaller labels. I've just been thinking of some of the leaders/groups i've seen live when they were on ECM at the time of the concert: Jan Garbarek, Dave Holland, Terje Rypdal, Keith Jarrett, Ralph Towner, Glen Moore, Eberhard Weber, John Abercrombie, Steve Swallow, Bill Connors, Arild Andersen, Colin Walcott, Kenny Wheeler, Gary Burton, Pat Metheny, John Taylor, Paul Motian, Gary Peacock, Don Cherry, Nana Vasconcelos, Mick Goodrick, Miroslav Vitous, Charlie Haden, Ed Blackwell, Egberto Gismonti, Chick Corea, Shankar, Lester Bowie, James Newton, Oregon, David Torn, Marc Johnson. I've lost touch with what ECM do now but that was an impressive roster back then.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1418581489' post='2631402'] Listened to him a lot back in the day. In fact there was a period of about six months where I wouldn't even consider listening to anything at all unless it was on ECM records. [/quote] What year was that? I have bought a lot of ECM records (from ARC in the early 70s onwards) but can't imagine just listening to them.

I saw EW live a few times with Jan Garbarek's group in the 70s and 80s and with also with his own group. He must have the most instantly recognisable sound of any bass player.

Thanks for reminder that i need to buy a Dremel tomorrow.

[quote name='funkgod' timestamp='1418465694' post='2630375'] ahh but do you have a VHS to play it on ?? do you remember the ones with the big press down buttons at the front the top loader that came up with such force you would jump out of you skin and was capable sending a plant pot flying into the air. oh the joy [/quote] Fascinating memories of VHS players but any thoughts on The Story Of Funk?

[quote name='ambient' timestamp='1418419414' post='2630178'] My dad likes them, I always thought they were kind of trying to be Pink floyd, but never actually making it. [/quote] Probably not commercial enough.

[quote name='hiram.k.hackenbacker' timestamp='1418383180' post='2629701'] That link is great. I'd never heard of Oswald or Plunderphonics before. The mind boggles at how hard it must have been to create back in the day. [/quote] Plunderphonics seemed like a natural progression from those Residents LPs to me. I soon got into Oswalds Plunderphonics and Negativland, The Tape Beatles, Evolution Control Committee then onto later and current stuff by People Like Us and Blectum From Blechdom. Plundersphonics is something you can get lost in for years and years and can be very entertaining!!!