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I've just seen how cheap and light the Neo 212 is....that is a crazy price! There is a lot of love for them on Talkbass even by players who swear by high end gear....

[quote name='R Baer' timestamp='1340606315' post='1706749'] We are working on finding a distributor in the UK, but your'e correct that by the time you add on shipping and all the related fees and taxes, it does drive the cost up considerably. [/quote] Thanks for chipping in, I'd really like to try your gear our when it hits the UK.

Cheers! That was an issue I had when I tested the Compact (went past my legs, and a LOT of low end)...although Alex has explained why this might be the case so I'll put that down to one of those things. However, these GK cabs are superb value and seem to get good reviews!

Yep, and shame we aren't in the USA as they would obviously prove a lot cheaper to buy!

[quote name='jaydentaku' timestamp='1340487957' post='1705281'] Guitar Guitar in Newcastle wasn't willing to get a bongo in for me. "if you didn't like it, we would be stuck with it" "they are really ODD guitars" (pulls face) Nice [/quote] Soundslive will do it. In fact, any Musicman stockist can do it and it is a Strings & Things policy to send them out for trial. In my experience, Guitar Guitar don't understand bass and need an expert in who is up to date. If they had a Bongo in, maybe more people would buy one?!

Which store was it?

These are such a good price I want one, but don't need it.

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1340400985' post='1704194'] I might go for those Gareth, I'm about to order some. Question is which one to try them on, ceramic or Alnico? [/quote] Hmm, I'm trying it on my 2010 Ray 5, so Alnico for me!

I've tried a few brands and still find Ernie Ball strings fantastic. I go for the stock .130s. I have some Cobalts that I have yet to put on...might do it this weekend

Did they not? I thought all of their Shuttle cabs had tweeter controls?

Never tried the Ampeg, but looking at the spec and design, I think I'd prefer the Orange still.

That screams Gibson to me.

[quote name='eddiehoffmann' timestamp='1340282375' post='1702227'] You might wanna try two of the OBC 115's together. I used to have this rig and, for me, it's the best cab combination ever. These cabinets are awesome! [/quote] The Orange 1x15 is a great cabinet

[quote name='phatbass787' timestamp='1340124173' post='1699520'] Think GK may be going down the route of creative marketing with these Neo's(I assume they must have outsourced to TC Electronics marketing dept) theres no way the 112 cab Soundslive are selling has a real Neo in it, cannot be done at that price, I'm sure it's a perfectly decent cab and light but getting tired of companies and their half truths... [/quote] I'm pretty sure with the weight it is a neo speaker. I'd be shocked if it wasn't, as otherwise that's a lot worse than TC, as the whole concept of the cab is neo, has neo in the name, etc. GK do make their own speakers though, so no doubt they can make them cheap and not have a speaker company charging them obscene amounts. However, i'd be interested if someone could take one apart and check haha.

[quote name='leftyhook' timestamp='1339165376' post='1684718'] bah! just been to Newcastle Guitar Guitar. Not a single left handed bass in the store!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So i pick up a few R/H P basses, American and Mexican.Look noce but ranged from average action to bloody awful. Upon enquiring about L/H availability, only 2 P basses in the whole company (Scotland to London) and if I put down a deposit to have one sent, found I didn't like it, the deposit would have to be transferred to something else in store. &*$%£"!!!!!! Certainly won't buy before I try after today's experience. Predictably disappointed [/quote] They are a bit tight in my experience. Buy it online from them and use the 7 day returns policy. If its faulty you pay nothing, if it's fine but not for you, you pay their pickup fee (£15 I think). This is why I don't bother spending money going all over the country anymore. More power buying online It is a mess about though I agree.

Quite nice now I've seen em a few times.

Maybe he is referring to relief?!

[quote name='LawrenceH' timestamp='1339694879' post='1692935'] Ah, I hadn't realised the streamliner was HV as well! Got to be worth looking at, thanks for the heads-up. But the valve being small doesn't matter - all the 12AX7-based amps run in starved plate mode aren't going to sound as 'valve-y' as a small tube run at proper spec voltage. That 6205 is also a relatively high-voltage tube, so not great at low voltage for the same reasons as a 12AX7 but I bet in the right circuit it could sound fantastic. [/quote] Ah, I see what you mean now! Thanks. Yep, the STreamliner is a very cool design.

This discussion of one 1x12 not cutting it have thankfully put me off buying a pair. May as well always use a 2x12.

[quote name='Prime_BASS' timestamp='1339538546' post='1690369'] Very surprised at this. Personally I prefer the tube head that Markbass do, as I find the solid state pre to be very nasally and a little lacking in soemthing, not that it's bad it just doesn't tick boxes for me. The added highs you are hearing is the extra harmonic distortion you get from having a tube in the signal, especially as it's a very clean amp anyway. I find the difference enough to ignore the solid state side all together. But it also depends on the cabs used. Been using barefaced and markbass and the difference is audible enough even at rehearsal volumes. I also find that the gain needs to be set higher on the tube side to get the best signal to noise ratio, and lower on the solid state side. The thing is these amps arn't for breaking up they are for clean and transparent, but with the eq knobs and the filters you can use the head in any situation. Plus it weighs nothing! Setting everything 12? Yes I do this only because I like the way my signal sounds DI'd and the cab's give a faithful representation of that signal, but on the gig cause I am going DI'd I will EQ to the stage/room so I can hear myself and the band can hear me. Regardless of how big or small the tube is it creates what I like about preamp tubes, and thats enoough for me. The TC stuff. It sounds great and looks great on paper but I would recommend that this be tried in the environments it's going to be used in. Yes the 450 is loud, but it's a different kind of loud. Louder than a 500watt Markbass head? No. It's hardc to describe how the head sounds. I had the RH750 for a while and it was loud but when it started pushing it had horrible dynamics, due to the way the power amp works. the on board compressor is nice yes but at volume it was useless, along with any minute EQ shift. Great amp, sounds good and feature packed but something missing. No way was it noticably louder than the 500watt MArkbass. The Genz streamliners are just a better all round amp than the TC. Sound better at volume, if a little muchy in the lows. Again it has a similar compressing going on but only in the low band, so it does keep getting louder but only because it's squashing the lows. At the end of the day, it's nice playing with stuff in a shop, everything sounds pretty decent. It's onlyon the gig where it matters. You may find the head you love in the shop doesn't perform on the gig. You also have to choose the amp for you and your needs. My needs arn't very typical of a bassist, I just want to be able to hear myself clearly on stage, as most of the time I'm DI'd , I liek the sound of the DI thats not a problem. but when I need it to the Markbass will be the loudest thing there and pump my sound around a massive space. [/quote] Thats good that it works out for you. When the LMTube came out, I went to the Bass Merchant and A/B'ed the LM3/LMTube and the LMTube800. I decided that the 800 was too much volume wise, and didnt really listen to the tone that much as I was set on the 500 watt Class A/B LM amps. Myself and the two guys at the BM setup the LM3 and the LMTube with the same bass, going through the same cab (Markbass 4x10), and switched between amps using the tall Markbass demo stand device. We had the LM3 flat, the LMTube flat, and turned all the way to the tube setting. Tried it at high volume levels, and I could barely hear any difference, and I was really listening because I was deciding between the two models. I wanted the LMTube because it seemed like a slick package, but I just couldn't hear it. The LM2/3 sounds like quite a transparent 'clean' tube amp, as it warm and clear. I was expecting distortion or grit...at all, I just wanted a different tube tone. I love tubes, and I love solid state amps, and I couldn't hear enough difference between the LM3 and LMTube. In my experience, and what seems like the consensus on thge first Talkbass RH450 threads, the RH450 is very very loud, and will quite easliy outrun the LM2/3 amp. I had the LM3 and RH450 at the same time. Obviously the volume tapers are different, (the master on the Markbass heads is a bit of a trick...they don't really do much after 1 o'clock) but the LM3 limiter clips hard and runs out of steam much quicker than the RH450. The RH750 is louder and has more authority. The Streamliner 900 is a total volume BEAST. That all tube pre amp is a beautiful design and it really does achieve its goals...eg super clean loud fat tube tone. It will grit, but you don't have to. I've recently acquired a Genz Shuttlemax 9.2, which has a fet and tube channel. Set flat, and switching between the two channels, there is quite a big difference in tone. It warms up, the high end has a more softer attack...and you get a little tube sag. Blending them is brilliant! [quote name='LawrenceH' timestamp='1339605730' post='1691379'] That's not really how it works... [/quote] See above. It really isn't a full tube pre like Genz or GK MBFusion. The LMTube's are using a tiny 6205 tube. PS - The Genz Streamliner uses a high plate voltage.

Still agree with Wayne. Went to see NOFX last night...after all these years of being a fan I still get super excited to see them. Stunning band...much more talented than most muso's realise.