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Well Sheldon, you sure know how to stop a thread dead in its tracks. On behalf of all that admire your work a Very Merry Christmas.

With only 200 watts into 4 ohms you are gunna want allot of grunt out of the speaker which means as high efficiency cab as you can find for your money (SPL quoted at 1 metre) I would not go for the Peavey 2x10 as they are not very efficient at turning your watts into sound. Just remember for every 3dB increase in level requires a doubling of your amps power. So the difference in buying a cab with a rating of say 96dB @ 1M to one at 99dB would be half as loud again. Half as loud as it takes about 6 dB to appear twice as loud to the human ear. That’s just part of the storey then there is cone surface area. Hence lots of 4x10's out there. I've kicked this around for years we all have to compromise to suit our pocket and our Motors. You said Rock Band to me that means multi speaker cab. So to be portable that means more than one cab (two small cabs) or go for a good second hand 2x10 or 2 x12. High efficiency. Less eff cabs can sound good cranked up but you need an amp to match their wattage rating. Running your amp flat out into a 400 watt cab will blow the speaker quicker than pushing it hard with a 500 watt amp. Bass is Fun but the science gets us in the end

I Think Lefay range are really nice but the price isn't as good looking Here is one they are showing in stock I would like to get my hands on, A fan fret Herr Schwarz 5 which is a contradiction as this one is in Ash not black What dya think.

Dings are great but watch out the Germans are coming ....LeFay

People worry about overloading speakers with big Amps but over running a small amp into clipping will send square waves into a speaker. Your EA 2x10 can handle good clean power but not dirty square waves which have probably fried the coil. I would stick with the EA cab and Amp or a Markbass amp with the EA 2x 10. I wouldn't recommend mixing speakers of different makes. As they are ported differently and have different characteristics so you may find it difficult to eradicate annoying room frequency's on a gig. EA design cabs to get the best results science can reasonably allow and stay portable Mark Bass use rear Ports in their smaller cabs and these work in a totally different way, that’s why they are so small. Mark Bass front ported Cabs are Large just Like Eden for example and are heavy. Hope that helps explain some things but sounds like you need two identical 12" cabs to use alone or together. Whatever your decide you can’t get away from the science that Bass usually means Big heavy boxes and lots of horse power to drive it. Mark Bass started a revolution in small amps and the Neo speakers are changing our lives now. so good luck. I also love the EA sound for Jazz and small gigs, but love my LMK for most gigs as it fits my bass sound and is easy to set and play with no fuss.

Late in on this one but I agree with Umph. I use to Bi Amp with a Carvin Probass 500 which is easy as it is designed for that, but I rigged it so I only added effects on the upper freq's in the second channel amp, This is by far the best way. Keep your fundamentals clean and muscular, and the effects work best on the harmonic content top end.

I use a 4 x 12 Techamp Cab 1200 watts into 4 ohm. I use it with a Markbass LMK. It is light too just 54 Lbs you can pick it up easy one man, but i do use a trolley board which i leave it on to play so not to loose the bass on hotel carpets etc. I think most people do not consider it now. The old marshals are 100 lbs, then 4 x10's took over in the 80's and only a few manufacturers have gone back. But with Neo speakers they are starting to re appear. Most people are using smaller combinations now. I went for the 12's as it was the best spec of any cab with the least weight. It sounds fantastic I use it on all but the smallest restuarant gigs so I know I can cope with any venue.

After years of compromise I got me a 4 x 12" 1200watt 4 ohm cab. because of the spec. wattage, SPL , frequency low tuning. and weight around 50 lb. awsome had it about 5 years now. It is the older Tec soundsystem model. I use a Markbass LMK with it. I am not hungry for anything else.

knowone can or should say buy this!! You do need to try, but the maths will help ( effciency, dB, watts ) as will these guys with their experience. If cash is tight and usually is go for a new amp and second hand cab. Read reviews not sales blurb. Hartke amps are good and should cope fine but then make sure the cab you choose is efficient (rated dB at 1 metre) check out a few cabs db ratings. That means they will cope and do the job, it doesn't mean you will like their sound so when you get down to either Or situation try them out. I do rate GK gear and the new Neo cabs are good, they are efficient light and sound good a 2 x12" would probably do a treat. Mark bass amps are really good and i cant see me ever parting with mine but I think their cabs are over priced and there are better cabs about at a price. Mix and match just because someone makes a good amp it don't mean their cabs a just as good. On an earlier thread i didn't finish i mentioned blowing a crossover what i was to get round to is you can fry a speaker and it will take allot of punishment if it is a good make (large vented pole piece) It'll take more than the rated watts thats why they state program and continuos ratings. One thing that will bugger them is square waving an low watt amp into them. So not good having a 1000w 4 x10" and using a 150 watt amp wound up to 11 o'clock. good hunting. Ebay is the place to pick up a bargin once you know what you want.

Nice looking rig Delberthot, One thing we can all take from these posts is be prepared, If you have the amp with head room and an efficient cab to cope with most venues you should never be left wanting. I have been caught out in the past due to both crowd size, bodies really soak it up. and marquee jobs on damp nights with a crowd that are up for it. I popped a crossover in our PA bass bin at such a gig and when i opened it up the the wire mesh on the speaker vent was purple like an exhaust. Good ole Peavey. What most people are saying is multi speaker cabs 10's or 12" or stack. Stacks frighten people though a half stack may be a good halfway house 15 & 2x10. I used this for some years loved the sound but transport and your back has to come into the equation. 51m0n listed some good key points, one i learned was get your cab off the floor, carpet kills your sound. I made a trolley board for my cab to get it in and out but now always leave it on there to play. This gives a consistant sound, free of floor coupling just leaving the room accoustics to deal with.

PUB gigs need lots of grunt, 4 x 10 on a beer crate with a big old solid state amp. loads to choose from but do you need better than your Peavey, like every one says they do the bizz and last. I have Markbss LMK a great punchy amp with head room. Dont go ashdown or Marshal. GK sound great. Go for front ported cabs to assist the sound forward, rear ported cabs i think are a cop out by the designers to build a smaller cab that meets the maths. I never think they sound as good. Think Eden real grunt. With all those bodies up close got to go with a 4 x10 cab. 500 watt head to cope 300 may run out of steam.

Those Ibanez Promethean have caught my eye, have not heard one but reads well. but thats dangerous. need to try it loud. I once bought an Ampeg B1 combo these were 150 watt and 12". it was great but limited sound variation. Good for practise and small gigs. But we get the odd Civic hall. say no more. I then bought a Peavey 15 + 2x8 cab and on bigger gigs took the amp out and used that. I have since had Carvin pro bass 500 bi amped into two Trace cabs then got a Peavey 15 and carvin 2 x10 with the amp. Don't want to bore you with a complete history but we all buy gear we think is the Dogs, or because it fits your Car or budget. But just buy smart that means head room and flexibility. I am happy, contented now. have Markbass LMK still have my Carvin 2x10 which i use for practise and small gigs and Big Band work. and a couple of years ago bought a 4 x12" Techcab 1200watt 4 ohm. Neos in there so i can pick it up no probs weighs about 50 pound. So i can kick ass and sound good at low volumes. I never used to have a back up amp, so just picked up a second hand EA iamp 350. for £300. Love its deep rich sound does not have the cut and hi fi and funk of the LMK but great for jazz. There are bargins out there, I saw a mark bass amp for sale on here about £250 ish i think. So go get a good second hand cab and amp with good headroom. remember the efficiency in dB compare these as you need to double the wattage to gain 3 dB. so a cab with a 95 dB rating will need twice the watts to sound the same as a 98 db speaker cab. Dont go below a single 12" for gigs or better still a 2 x10. good luck.

These decisions are often a compromise, I would advise separates A good quality high efficiency CAB 12" Neo. That can be paired with another later and a small but powerful head. Mark bass. This will allow you to take the head with you in a bag home and to gigs where you can hire, borrow a larger cab for rock gigs etc. Go for second hand if need be, but quality gear. Aim for 300-500 watt amp. The cab should be about 300 watt 8 ohms so if you do get another later you have a beefy rig. This flexibility would be best for your current situation and future needs. GK neo 1 x12” are reasonably priced.

[quote name='Alien' post='824247' date='Apr 30 2010, 04:37 PM']Didn't that have 2 of the tens acting as woofers, and the third a coaxial mid/high? A[/quote] I have also thought a vertical system works best, well it is proven hence the old column PAs (WEM). I have fancied having a split 4x12 angled cab down the middle, ported so the you can alter the frequency like the old trace cab holes. They would also have tapping options for impedance changes So these can be used side by side virtically either side of the drummer. Or altered by porting to lay on their side so the angle projects the sound across the stage and one cab becomes the bass and the other the top. If you are into bi amping as i was once. Just a thought, but go find one of those EA cabs if thats your bag.