Gunsfreddy2003 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 I have recently bought a vintage Fender Jazz which is a great bass but the output signal from it is substantially lower than that from my magnificent GB Rumour. I think that some kind of booster pedal may solve the problem and wondered if anyone can recommend a good one. I assume that this will also solve the problem that I my having with my envelope filters as they just don't work as well without re-setting all of the levels but this is a pain as I have to change them all when I change basses. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudewheresmybass Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 mxr micro amp? good solid clean boost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsfreddy2003 Posted January 29, 2010 Author Share Posted January 29, 2010 Do you know if this will help with opening up the envelope filters too? [quote name='dudewheresmybass' post='728823' date='Jan 29 2010, 03:42 PM']mxr micro amp? good solid clean boost[/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 If all you need is extra gain, and you put the micro amp before your filters, yeh it will help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsfreddy2003 Posted January 29, 2010 Author Share Posted January 29, 2010 Well I am assuming that that is the problem?? They work fine with the GB but when you switch basses it is like they are stuck in the bottom end frequencies and need more gain at the current settings to sweep through the frequencies. [quote name='cheddatom' post='728842' date='Jan 29 2010, 03:55 PM']If all you need is extra gain, and you put the micro amp before your filters, yeh it will help.[/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 yeh if a pedal is fine with a loud bass, and not fine with a quite bass, then sticking a booster before the pedal should even out the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Fly Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 [quote name='Gunsfreddy2003' post='728851' date='Jan 29 2010, 04:00 PM']Well I am assuming that that is the problem?? They work fine with the GB but when you switch basses it is like they are stuck in the bottom end frequencies and need more gain at the current settings to sweep through the frequencies.[/quote] Envelope filters are driven by the signal level. If you set them with with GB, the Fender JB is likely to be too weak to make the filter move. You could use the [url="http://www.ehx.com/products/signal-pad"]EHX signal pad[/url] to lower the signal of the GB to the same level of the JB. Alternatively, you could use a booster when you use the JB. In my experience the MXR Micro Amp is not entirely transparent - especially at the lower frequencies but some people like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsfreddy2003 Posted January 29, 2010 Author Share Posted January 29, 2010 OK anyone know of one for sale on the forum or where I can get one at a sensible price? [quote name='cheddatom' post='728865' date='Jan 29 2010, 04:08 PM']yeh if a pedal is fine with a loud bass, and not fine with a quite bass, then sticking a booster before the pedal should even out the difference.[/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsfreddy2003 Posted January 29, 2010 Author Share Posted January 29, 2010 Yeah I think that is exactly what is happening. I am not keen to lower the signal of the GB as it works fine and I have never had a problem with it or the pedals before. I am highly unlikely to swap between the two basses at one gig so it would make sense to boost the signal from the jazz. Appreciate the comment on the MXR - what would you recommend instead? [quote name='Silent Fly' post='728872' date='Jan 29 2010, 04:15 PM']Envelope filters are driven by the signal level. If you set them with with GB, the Fender JB is likely to be too weak to make the filter move. You could use the [url="http://www.ehx.com/products/signal-pad"]EHX signal pad[/url] to lower the signal of the GB to the same level of the JB. Alternatively, you could use a booster when you use the JB. In my experience the MXR Micro Amp is not entirely transparent - especially at the lower frequencies but some people like it.[/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Fly Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 [quote name='Gunsfreddy2003' post='728880' date='Jan 29 2010, 04:20 PM'](...) Appreciate the comment on the MXR - what would you recommend instead?[/quote] As you can imagine, it is difficult for me give you a totaly unpartial advice. I would recomend you a [url="http://www.sfxsound.co.uk/mainpage.asp?page=blue_dragon"][sfx] Blue Dragon[/url] Alternatively, you could use a [url="http://www.sfxsound.co.uk/mainpage.asp?page=micro_eq"][sfx] Micro-EQ[/url]. With the tone controls flat it is an excellent booster. You can also use it to compensate the tone difference between GB and JB. If you are not keen on [sfx] products, there are a lot of pedals that can give you clean boost - it depends if already have some preference and how much money you are ready to spend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsfreddy2003 Posted January 29, 2010 Author Share Posted January 29, 2010 What price does the Blue Dragon go for? [quote name='Silent Fly' post='728898' date='Jan 29 2010, 04:34 PM']As you can imagine, it is difficult for me give you a totaly unpartial advice. I would recomend you a [url="http://www.sfxsound.co.uk/mainpage.asp?page=blue_dragon"][sfx] Blue Dragon[/url] Alternatively, you could use a [url="http://www.sfxsound.co.uk/mainpage.asp?page=micro_eq"][sfx] Micro-EQ[/url]. With the tone controls flat it is an excellent booster. You can also use it to compensate the tone difference between GB and JB. If you are not keen on [sfx] products, there are a lot of pedals that can give you clean boost - it depends if already have some preference and how much money you are ready to spend.[/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Fly Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 [quote name='Gunsfreddy2003' post='728928' date='Jan 29 2010, 04:53 PM']What price does the Blue Dragon go for?[/quote] Everything is on the [url="http://www.sfxsound.co.uk/mainpage.asp?page=order"]web site[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 Maybe you could get the same pre-amp from your GB to put in your jazz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsfreddy2003 Posted January 29, 2010 Author Share Posted January 29, 2010 Not a chance!! The tone from the jazz is lovely and it is nice to have some difference from the GB - nice as the sound from that one is. [quote name='cheddatom' post='728933' date='Jan 29 2010, 04:58 PM']Maybe you could get the same pre-amp from your GB to put in your jazz?[/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Burrito Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 Plus one on the MXR Micro amp. A great pure boost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsfreddy2003 Posted January 29, 2010 Author Share Posted January 29, 2010 Did you notice any tone colouration? [quote name='BurritoBass' post='728957' date='Jan 29 2010, 05:26 PM']Plus one on the MXR Micro amp. A great pure boost[/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeBrownBass Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 [quote name='cheddatom' post='728933' date='Jan 29 2010, 04:58 PM']Maybe you could get the same pre-amp from your GB to put in your jazz?[/quote] Plus, you will only get a GB preamp in a GB bass. No other way to get one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsfreddy2003 Posted January 29, 2010 Author Share Posted January 29, 2010 Amen to that - and that is why GB's are so good. [quote name='jake_tenfloors' post='729206' date='Jan 29 2010, 08:58 PM']Plus, you will only get a GB preamp in a GB bass. No other way to get one![/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basshead56 Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Considered an EHX LPB-1? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsfreddy2003 Posted February 2, 2010 Author Share Posted February 2, 2010 No - have you used one? [quote name='basshead56' post='732730' date='Feb 2 2010, 11:45 AM']Considered an EHX LPB-1?[/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 You're trying to raise the output of your Jazz to match the GB. The simplest option I think is to lower the volume of your GB to match the output of the Jazz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basshead56 Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 [quote name='Gunsfreddy2003' post='732785' date='Feb 2 2010, 12:14 PM']No - have you used one?[/quote] I use one all the time. I have it at the end of the loop, before the amp. At its most basic, it is a gain booster that fattens up and compensates for any signal loss along the the chain (greta if using moe than 4 pedals, or effects with wave manipulation or dist.) Just set the level u want after your chain and you´re way. I have a slightly modded one I got on Evilbay and It´s great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsfreddy2003 Posted February 2, 2010 Author Share Posted February 2, 2010 I have discussed this with EBS Freak who has quite a few GB's and he said that he had tried to this and got in a real mess by doing so! Surely it is not impossible to boost the jazz signal to the same level? Mark [quote name='chris_b' post='732794' date='Feb 2 2010, 12:19 PM']You're trying to raise the output of your Jazz to match the GB. The simplest option I think is to lower the volume of your GB to match the output of the Jazz?[/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsfreddy2003 Posted February 2, 2010 Author Share Posted February 2, 2010 Thanks for the info - sounds good. I would need to put one at the start of my effects chain as I need it to impact on how the envelope filters open up. Does it colour your tone much? [quote name='basshead56' post='732797' date='Feb 2 2010, 12:22 PM']I use one all the time. I have it at the end of the loop, before the amp. At its most basic, it is a gain booster that fattens up and compensates for any signal loss along the the chain (greta if using moe than 4 pedals, or effects with wave manipulation or dist.) Just set the level u want after your chain and you´re way. I have a slightly modded one I got on Evilbay and It´s great.[/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basshead56 Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 I have found that using it in the effects loop adds a touch of distortion for some reason. But it doesn´t change or colour sound at all before the amp. Hope that helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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