lanark Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 I was just wondering what the routine is for this. We're going to be playing our first gig in York on Dec 4th (a preview night run by a friend, we have 8 songs, roughly enough for half a full show). The set consists of 5 covers and 3 originals. I was wondering what, if anything, we do about PRS payments - does this come out of the venues licencing or is it somethiing that we have to submit and pay for? Not sure if this topic should be put here or under gigs, so any admin shoudl feel free to move it if they think I've put it in the wrong place. Thanks for the advice, in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean-Luc Pickguard Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Don't announce the song names and play them so badly that no one can recognise them. Works for my lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crez5150 Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 The venue should be a PRS member and therefore you [i]may[/i] be asked to complete a form of any cover versions you play..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 The promoter should pay the PRS. If he asks you to fill in a form with the song titles then he might be above board, but I bet he won't! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogueporn Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Its the responsibility of the venue to pay it. PRS payment are normally based on surveys as to how royalties are paid to bands, rather then each song paid for individually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanark Posted November 19, 2009 Author Share Posted November 19, 2009 (edited) [quote name='chris_b' post='659328' date='Nov 19 2009, 03:31 PM']The promoter should pay the PRS. If he asks you to fill in a form with the song titles then he might be above board, but I bet he won't![/quote] That's kind of what I wanted to know - whether it's our responsibility to make payments or the venue's. We'll have the details ready just in case. EDIT: damn you lot are quick at replying. Edited November 19, 2009 by lanark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyJay Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Most places we play have a PRS certificate on the wall but only twice have we filled out a form with the songs we played, both times for a local festival. As far as I know it's the venue's responsibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thumperbob 2002 Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Wow- how responsible- the only time i fill out a form at a venue is for the internal revenue service ( taxman ) signed Mickey Mouse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crez5150 Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 yeah I always use Keef O'Toole - Comedy Genius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Bassy Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 [quote name='crez5150' post='659326' date='Nov 19 2009, 03:29 PM']The venue should be a PRS member and therefore you [i]may[/i] be asked to complete a form of any cover versions you play.....[/quote] What happens if it isn't a member, say, for example, a Village Hall ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crez5150 Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 The artiste does not receive any due's..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skankdelvar Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Commendable honesty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thumperbob 2002 Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 [quote name='crez5150' post='659345' date='Nov 19 2009, 03:49 PM']yeah I always use Keef O'Toole - Comedy Genius[/quote] Our old chinese percussionist used to use Fook Yu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 [quote name='skankdelvar' post='659498' date='Nov 19 2009, 06:30 PM']Commendable honesty.[/quote] +1 Top gent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalMan Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 [quote name='HeavyJay' post='659332' date='Nov 19 2009, 03:35 PM']Most places we play have a PRS certificate on the wall but only twice have we filled out a form with the songs we played, both times for a local festival. As far as I know it's the venue's responsibility.[/quote] The only time we were asked to fill in a form with my current lot we had been warned by the venue that someone from PRS would be there and want a list on the night. Just as well he was otherwise we'd have been playing to the bar staff Prior to that when I played in a club band we were occasionally asked to fill in a song sheet for their PRS return, but very rarely. At the end of the day its the venues responsibility through their PRS licence fee, not yours to make any payment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanark Posted November 20, 2009 Author Share Posted November 20, 2009 So are DJs supposed to do this too, submit a full list of songs that they've played in their set? Because, to be honest, a lot of the DJs I know don't actually know the titles and artists of the songs they've played (I go to salsa nights and they tend to pass CDs between each other and the track details aren't always attached - so you ask what the last record was and they'll say disc 12 track 5 or something) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalMan Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 [quote name='lanark' post='659988' date='Nov 20 2009, 11:20 AM']So are DJs supposed to do this too, submit a full list of songs that they've played in their set? Because, to be honest, a lot of the DJs I know don't actually know the titles and artists of the songs they've played (I go to salsa nights and they tend to pass CDs between each other and the track details aren't always attached - so you ask what the last record was and they'll say disc 12 track 5 or something)[/quote] I would think generally they will be in the same boat as bands, ie it will be the venues responsibility to hold the licence and you seem to get asked for a list so infrequently it's not worth worrying about. In the club band we put down a load of songs the vocalist in the originals band had registered to up his play count by the odd one here or there. I don't suppose it ever had any effect on the major artists we actually played (or even the check the vocalist got for pennies) one way or another Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erisu Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 (edited) Hey Lanark! I'm having the same problem too but im thinking maybe my band can get away with it as we're only doing one cover song. The song we're covering is from a Japanese rock band and their music isn't released in UK at all. Do we still need to pay royalties? I mean tbh... i doubt anyone in the audience would have heard of the song let alone the band who created the song (unless it's a crowd or if there's someone who's into Japanese rock music) I was thinking when announcing the song to just announce the song name and skip the band name lol Edited November 20, 2009 by erisu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Funk Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 [quote name='Jean-Luc Pickguard' post='659325' date='Nov 19 2009, 03:28 PM']Don't announce the song names and play them so badly that no one can recognise them.[/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayfan Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 (edited) [quote name='thumperbob 2002' post='659555' date='Nov 19 2009, 07:38 PM']Our old chinese percussionist used to use Fook Yu[/quote] OP: It's worrying that you're worrying about PRS paperwork on your first gig. Just enjoy it... Edited November 20, 2009 by stingrayfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 [quote name='erisu' post='660140' date='Nov 20 2009, 01:52 PM']Hey Lanark! I'm having the same problem too but im thinking maybe my band can get away with it as we're only doing one cover song. The song we're covering is from a Japanese rock band and their music isn't released in UK at all. Do we still need to pay royalties? I mean tbh... i doubt anyone in the audience would have heard of the song let alone the band who created the song (unless it's a crowd or if there's someone who's into Japanese rock music) I was thinking when announcing the song to just announce the song name and skip the band name lol[/quote] Two things: 1. As a band you're only responsibility is to list the songs played on the PRS form if you are asked to. The financial side is covered by the venue's PRS licence. You don't have to pay anything. 2. If you are asked to fill in the form do it. You might not think it counts for much, but about a quarter of my PRS royalties come from performances of songs I've written happening outside of the UK. I don't know how they got their but I'm just glad they did! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanark Posted November 20, 2009 Author Share Posted November 20, 2009 [quote name='stingrayfan' post='660173' date='Nov 20 2009, 02:25 PM'] OP: It's worrying that you're worrying about PRS paperwork on your first gig. Just enjoy it...[/quote] Worrying is rather overstating it - I just don't want to be caught out with any unexpected paperwork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumnote Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 [quote name='thumperbob 2002' post='659337' date='Nov 19 2009, 03:41 PM']Wow- how responsible- the only time i fill out a form at a venue is for the internal revenue service ( taxman ) signed Mickey Mouse[/quote] We have a number of these apart from mickey Mouse Norman D Landing is a favourite, as is Chris P Bacon. There is also Ivor Longcock and many more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erisu Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 [quote name='BigRedX' post='660242' date='Nov 20 2009, 03:35 PM']Two things: 1. As a band you're only responsibility is to list the songs played on the PRS form if you are asked to. The financial side is covered by the venue's PRS licence. You don't have to pay anything. 2. If you are asked to fill in the form do it. You might not think it counts for much, but about a quarter of my PRS royalties come from performances of songs I've written happening outside of the UK. I don't know how they got their but I'm just glad they did![/quote] Ah brilliant! I'll be sure to follow this rule in future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 BTW erisu, what J-Rock song are your band covering? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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