Origin Effects BassRig Ampeg B15 Fliptop recreation

[bassist_lewis]

7 hours ago, Ian McFly said:

Would the Fifteen work well in a rock/indie rock context? Pbass with pick and rounds. Or is the SV much better suited?

I'm sure both have their own sound from the circuit, but I think the key difference is the EQ. Both have drive, and on both you've got a lot of control of the highs and lows, but only the Super Vintage has the midrange controls. The mids and upper mids is where you'll get a lot of your tone (I'm assuming) if you're playing rock music for that pick attack.

The B15 is typically associated with pop, R&B, soul et etc, so may not be the historically correct tonal platform for rock, whereas the SVT is. You're best bet is to find out how other players/bands got the tones you like.

All that said, it's a great piece of gear either way, and there's a lot of videos showcasing it doing more than just the R&B/Motown thing.

[Nickthebass]

12 hours ago, Ian McFly said:

Would the Fifteen work well in a rock/indie rock context? Pbass with pick and rounds. Or is the SV much better suited?

 

@bassist_lewis is right the biggest difference EQ-wise is that the SV gives you more control in the mids - so may make your life a bit easier if the BassRig unit is where most of your EQ flexibility lives. Also he's right that a good starting point would be to do some research on the bands / sounds you like and find out what sort of gear was used. If you name some examples I'm sure folks on here will be able to chime in with some useful thoughts.

 

@Ian McFly With all that said - there is more than one way to get a sound. What else is in your signal chain?

 

The BR Fifteen is there to emulate an B15. (I would venture to suggest) that a large number of studio folks - who have to have pretty much any sound on tap when needed - stick a mic on a B15 as a default in pretty much any situation and make it work. Could you make the BR Fifteen work in a rock / indie context? Yes - absolutely you could. Could you make an SVT work in a rock / indie context - yes absolutely you could.

 

If you wanted to have 2 sounds available (a clean-ish core sound and a dirty sound) you could try the BR Fifteen - set it clean(ish) as a main sound and stick something in-front of it for a bit more grit (maybe a Darkglass Vintage Microtubes for example). There's a nice video on the Origin Effects website about stacking a compressor, clean preamp and a BassRig SV to give you 3 sounds (clean DI, clean-ish amp and dirty).

 

If you wanted to go dirty most of the time with the odd clean sound you could run a nice EQ (the Empress ParaEQ is great) into a BR15 (set for some grit) and use the EQ to give you a bit more mid control that is maybe a little harder to do with the BR15. Leave the cabsim always on on the BR and kick the pedal off for a clean sound.

 

Oddly - I had the exact opposite of your question before buying the SV - "can an SVT work outside a driven rock context"? (Spoiler alert - yes!)

[krispn]

Keep putting the fifteen into my basket then it calculates the vat and I panic and take it out again🥵

[spyder]

I paid full price when it came out and I haven't regretted paying such a large amount for it.

I use it everyday and every gig.

 

[Quatschmacher]

31 minutes ago, spyder said:

I paid full price when it came out and I haven't regretted paying such a large amount for it.

I use it everyday and every gig.

 

Me neither. 

[Quatschmacher]

1 hour ago, Nickthebass said:

Oddly - I had the exact opposite of your question before buying the SV - "can an SVT work outside a driven rock context"? (Spoiler alert - yes!)

Yep, I don’t really use the grittier sounds but the SV can give me a nice deep clean/edge of breakup tone, which is why I’ve kept it. 

[Ian McFly]

To be fair all my favourite bands have the usual Pbass/SVT combo. What I might do though is order both the SV and the Fifteen and compare them with the band. And return what I don’t like. Harsh reality but you gotta do what you gotta do. 

[Al Krow]

23 hours ago, krispn said:

Keep putting the fifteen into my basket then it calculates the vat and I panic and take it out again🥵

 

Feel your pain, Gav - it does kinda tie into the convo re. expensive / more "value" pedals earlier in this thread! Fingers crossed you'll be able to snag one used in due course or if you decide to buy it new it lives up to expectations which, from comments from other owners on this thread, it very well may do!

[krispn]

It’s more that I simply don’t need it 😀 

I have a cab m with loads of great IR’s (really like the Mesa cabs pack) which really sound great for FOH/IEM mixes!

 

Ultimately there’s just the fear of pedal board ego death. If one pedal can do what I need then everything else is redundant which I’ve loving and painstakingly curated over a few years.
 

But yeah I’ll likely just buy one in jan when my Monzo 1p saving challenge finishes. 
I might even nab the matching compressor too.  

 

Edited 6 hours ago by krispn

[LukeFRC]

1 hour ago, krispn said:

It’s more that I simply don’t need it 😀 

I have a cab m with loads of great IR’s (really like the Mesa cabs pack) which really sound great for FOH/IEM mixes!

 

Ultimately there’s just the fear of pedal board ego death. If one pedal can do what I need then everything else is redundant which I’ve loving and painstakingly curated over a few years.
 

But yeah I’ll likely just buy one in jan when my Monzo 1p saving challenge finishes. 
I might even nab the matching compressor too.  

 

Like what would happen if it replaced the cab m and the Siméon and….

[Al Krow]

2 hours ago, krispn said:

It’s more that I simply don’t need it 😀 

I have a cab m with loads of great IR’s (really like the Mesa cabs pack) which really sound great for FOH/IEM mixes!

 

Ultimately there’s just the fear of pedal board ego death. If one pedal can do what I need then everything else is redundant which I’ve loving and painstakingly curated over a few years.
 

But yeah I’ll likely just buy one in jan when my Monzo 1p saving challenge finishes. 
I might even nab the matching compressor too.  

 

"Pedal board ego death" - love that phrase!!

 

Ah it's not such a bad thing! I think I'm having the same epiphany with a Boss GX10 multifx which, so far seems to be able to do so many things really well, and a number of things well enough (with the one exception so far of synth) that the ensuing pedal board cull is likely going to pay for this new unit multiple times over!

 

And actually very liberating taking just one, albeit very capable, pedal to gigs!

[Quatschmacher]

3 hours ago, krispn said:

Ultimately there’s just the fear of pedal board ego death. If one pedal can do what I need then everything else is redundant which I’ve loving and painstakingly curated over a few years.

Love it. Kind of like AI coming and taking the job one has trained a lifetime to master. 

[LukeFRC]

1 hour ago, Quatschmacher said:

Love it. Kind of like AI coming and taking the job one has trained a lifetime to master. 

Just for clarity …

 

AI as in artificial intelligence, or Al as in short for Al Krow? On my phone a uppercase i and lowercase L are the same.

 

I mean if Al Krow did come steal my job, it would be, to quote him , a game changer’ 

[Quatschmacher]

24 minutes ago, LukeFRC said:

Just for clarity …

 

AI as in artificial intelligence, or Al as in short for Al Krow? On my phone a uppercase i and lowercase L are the same.

 

I mean if Al Krow did come steal my job, it would be, to quote him , a game changer’ 

The former. 

[Al Krow]

1 hour ago, LukeFRC said:

Just for clarity …

 

AI as in artificial intelligence, or Al as in short for Al Krow? On my phone a uppercase i and lowercase L are the same.

 

I mean if Al Krow did come steal my job, it would be, to quote him , a game changer’ 

 

For both of us...

[krispn]

4 hours ago, LukeFRC said:

Like what would happen if it replaced the cab m and the Siméon and….

I’d happily gig with just the one pedal as ultimately all I need is one bass tone. I did just get a modded Box Of War in the recent Wren and Cuff mystery sale (and it is a low mid monster- every time I’ve used it on a gig I’m immediately pulled back to big full on 90’s/00’s muff bass tones… I digress)

 

I suppose I’d add a compressor and maybe a drive unit/BOW just to have some additional dirt flavour but I’m confident from what I’ve heard it can be set to respond well to dynamics so that would be fun getting more grind as you dig in or use a pick if the notion took? 

[krispn]

But one pedal looks.so.sad😢