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Can I do Royal Blood with just a Zoom pedal?


Pea Turgh
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Hello chums.

 

My 15 yr old has just picked up the bass.  Good lad!!  He loves Royal Blood, and wishes to emulate their sound.

 

I have a Zoom MS70 CDR, and am in the process of downloading the unofficial Zoom Effects editor so I can add distortion sounds to it.

 

I will experiment and report back, but is there a Zoom effect that can split a signal, bop it up an octave to distort, and recombine to the bass signal, all within the pedal?

 

Thanks in advance,

Pete.

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Great to hear! Mine is 13 and has my Ibby GSR200 and a little amp thanks to @shoulderpet, encouraging him to '...make some noise Orpington!'

White Stripes, Black Keys, Royal Blood...

Maybe more a ZoomB1 Four thing...

Check out Tonelib for patches

There ate also some Zoom Patch Threads on here...

 

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If you can do it in a little Zoom pedal then I'm going to buy one!

 

I can do it in the Helix and there's even a bit of an attempt at a factory preset for it, but the switching is the thing - turning on and off the octaves and the 5ths for the pseudo guitar chords. Only 1 footswitch on the tiny zoom thingys.

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I would imagine you could get the guitar sound. Something like octave up - distortion - harmony (for the 5th above to give it a power chord sound.)

 

However, you would still need a way of splitting and recombining the signal to switch between clean bass / guitar / guitar and bass. 

 

I used to do it with a line 6 M13 using variations of the effects above.  Plus an AB/Y pedal to change between "instruments" and a blender pedal to recombine the signal. 

 

 

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11 hours ago, Pea Turgh said:

Doh!  Should have searched first…

 

 

 

Yep, cheapest I could go was 2 Zoom devices. Unfortunately no parallel processing on Zoom devices as of today (even on their latest G6/B6 generation). Still, you can get a B1on/G1on for 35€ used here in Spain (so 2 for 70-80€, previous gen, but sounds better than the B1Xfour -current gen- I've owned, and ditched). Add 15€ for an ABY pedal. And I made the Y/balance box I use when going thru' only 1 amp (box+3 mono jacks+pot) for another 20€. So in the vicinity of some 120€ (100£?) you'd have the cheapest rig for it. The only poor link in the chain is the pitch shifter, all other things can be set to sound real competent. Even tho' the Zooms' bass pitch (this is the one to use, not the guitar version) is certainly no POG or PitchFork, it can even sorta' get some chords that sound passable with a noisy enough tone. Not done with 1 multiFX but with 2 VERY CHEAP ones, probably half or less than any other alternative. Here's the exact post where I describe the whole ghetto thing.

On a side note, you shoudn't even worry if the models you get are for guitar or bass if it's any of: B1on/Xon, G1on/Xon, MS-60B/50G/70CDR, G3n/B3n, G1foud/Xfour, B1four/Xfour (2 latest generations). Effects in them can be tweaked with either the Zoom Firmware Editor or Zoom Effect Manager (both unofficial, just Google them, I suggest Zoom Effect Manager 1.1.1, easier and no firmware "deconstruction" needed on the part of the user). You can put any effect from any model into another unit of the same gen. I've got a page where I compile all my Zoom firmware/FX tweaking resources and info and speak about both tools (downloadable there too).

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Or, if you want to do it the easy way, and you can find one, the Akai UB1 Unibass is specifically designed for the exact job. 

 

I've been watching one on eBay the past couple of weeks. £199 starting bid and unsold twice, so it may pop up again. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Newfoundfreedom said:

Or, if you want to do it the easy way, and you can find one, the Akai UB1 Unibass is specifically designed for the exact job. 

 

I've been watching one on eBay the past couple of weeks. £199 starting bid and unsold twice, so it may pop up again. 

 

 

 

Definitely a better option (as per video samples) than the Fishman Fission which, I've tried twice, and tracks like crap, glitches a lot, definitely worse than the Zooms' bass pitch. Also the distortion in the Fission sucks, the Unibass' distortion sounds a lot better. Still nowhere near what you can achieve with a POG/PitchFork and independent treatment of the "guitar" signal.

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Right - so far I can use a line selector effect to go from bass only to bass + pitch up + distortion.  I could potentially create different patches for different songs as a quick fix til I get some other pedals! 
I’m going to experiment with the bass distortions to see if I can have an unaffected low end and distort the upper frequencies.  We’ll see.  That effects manager is great though!

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I've a Zoom B1 four and never really been able to get a convincing emulation of the sound on its own. 

Cost aside, Mark at talking bass has a good video here

 

 

 

 

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