saibuster Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 I was just moving between videos on youtube and came across this video of Jaco. Im speechless ... [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdY-KAmj5fU&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdY-KAmj5fU...feature=related[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombboy Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 So am I! I honestly thought it was one of those Jaco 'Shreds' videos until I read the comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s_u_y_* Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Agree with tombboy a bit, there were a few dodgy moments at the beginning, but love the rest! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmywinks Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 From the Shadows and Light gig i think. There's some awesome songs on that. Check Dry Cleaner from Des Moines, that's ace! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Shadows and Light for me is a bit difficult to watch, too many edits of wolves and nonsense! The playing is great though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesparky Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 [quote name='Jase' post='348976' date='Dec 8 2008, 08:02 PM']Shadows and Light for me is a bit difficult to watch, too many edits of wolves and nonsense! The playing is great though![/quote] I watched shadows and light with a friend of my (session sax player) and he spent the entire time moaning about Jaco being so high in the mix that it was drowning out any of the other instruments, especially the sax! (whereas i was moaning about how loud the woodwind was! ha ha!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesparky Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 [quote name='tombboy' post='348908' date='Dec 8 2008, 06:31 PM']So am I! I honestly thought it was one of those Jaco 'Shreds' videos until I read the comments. [/quote] Those shred videos are brilliant, the steve vai one is the best! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreeneKing Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Love him or loath him there was bass before Jaco and there was bass after Jaco.. I think you really have to look at him from this perspective, he was coming up with this stuff on the hoof. I'm, errr.... a bit of a fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombboy Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 [quote name='GreeneKing' post='348986' date='Dec 8 2008, 08:11 PM']he was coming up with this stuff on the hoof.[/quote] IMO... that means 'noodling'. When he bursts into that overdriven bit, if you close your eyes it sounds like he fell over and struggled to get back up! I've heard him play much better than this clip and based on that comment I can admire his raw talent.. just does nothing for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmywinks Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 [quote name='Jase' post='348976' date='Dec 8 2008, 08:02 PM']Shadows and Light for me is a bit difficult to watch, too many edits of wolves and nonsense! The playing is great though![/quote] Aye, and when they show rubbish tape over the awesome playing bits, when all you really want to see is the musicians, not Joni Mitchell prancing around in a daft coat or cut scenes from casinos and stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreeneKing Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Are you basing your opinion of Jaco on one Utube clip? I'm not sure when it was filmed but he did suffer enormously from the effects of overindulgence in mainly coke and alcohol. Even given that I still think it's brilliant. To see the significance of the man you need to go back and listen to accounts of other musicians who were around when maybe a camera or recorder wasn't. Make yourself aware of his raw and vibrant energy. Listen to what he was recording with Weather Report and before, and then step back and ask what else was going on bass wise at that time. I'm sorry but imo he's unique, whether or not you like his stuff. He did things with a bass that hadn't even been dreamnt of before and we all celebrate his legacy today. A true innovator. He also played a groove like no other too. At least that's what I firmly believe. I do love jazz mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassBus Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Yeh, I'll go along with GreeneKing. What Jaco did when he came to the fore was unique. Looking back on it now it may not seem that great at times but then a lot can change in 30 odd years. Look at Eric Clapton. In the days of Cream he could have changed his name to God. Some thought he was. Guitar playing has moved on a long way since then and makes Clapton's stuff look a bit ordinary. Same applies to bass playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombboy Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 I think you've missed the point of this thread GK... we were asked to comment on this particular clip so my comments were based on how I found this clip and how it 'moved' me... which wasn't very much. Of course I'm very aware that Jaco was one of the most influencial bass players and indeed musicians to have ever lived. I've listened to lots of his work and truely admire his technique and talent. All I stated was that it doesn't move me. And IMO this clip is a very poor example of his talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmywinks Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 My favourite Jaco stuff is when he doesn't over-play or shred. I can dig it baby or a remark you made, that's the sh1t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galilee Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 I always get an emperor's new clothes feeling when I see clips of Jaco. That was dreadful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosebass Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 (edited) [quote name='BassBus' post='349050' date='Dec 8 2008, 08:59 PM']Yeh, I'll go along with GreeneKing. What Jaco did when he came to the fore was unique. Looking back on it now it may not seem that great at times but then a lot can change in 30 odd years. Look at Eric Clapton. In the days of Cream he could have changed his name to God. Some thought he was. Guitar playing has moved on a long way since then and makes Clapton's stuff look a bit ordinary. Same applies to bass playing.[/quote] I have to disagree with you on that. Great music , innovation and technique always stand the test of time. Are we to say Hendrix "was ok" at the time ? or Mozart is a "product of his era" ? Good music and performance transcends time. Guitarists and bassists may be more technically competent now but as we all know technical ability on its own has nothing to do with good music, and I think almost to a person every bassist on this forum will have at least heard of Jaco Pastorius even if they are not a fan and you cannot say that of many bassists around at the moment. Jaco Pastorius was one of the reasons I started playing bass and when I listen to him one of the reasons I think I should give it up....# And to Tomboy , yes he is noodling along the lines of a solo he performed quite a lot but changed it on the hoof and it sure sounds like the audience were with him. Edited December 8, 2008 by Prosebass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombboy Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 [quote name='Prosebass' post='349074' date='Dec 8 2008, 09:16 PM']And to Tomboy , yes he is noodling along the lines of a solo he performed quite a lot but changed it on the hoof and it sure sounds like the audience were with him.[/quote] Of course they were with him... kind of preaching to the converted. I'm not saying he's not talented... just heard better examples, thats all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreeneKing Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 I understand TB. The truth for me is I tend to be very defensive around Jaco - not that you would have noticed I don't think the clip is deadful either - it's art for god's sake and art isn't perfection. Music would be sythesised and computer generated otherwise. I personaly don't want my music perfect, something more organic yet creative soothes my soul. But. thankfully one man's biscuit is another man's Canestrelli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosebass Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 (edited) [quote name='GreeneKing' post='349085' date='Dec 8 2008, 09:27 PM']I understand TB. The truth for me is I tend to be very defensive around Jaco - not that you would have noticed I don't think the clip is deadful either - it's art for god's sake and art isn't perfection. Music would be sythesised and computer generated otherwise. I personaly don't want my music perfect, something more organic yet creative soothes my soul. But. thankfully one man's biscuit is another man's Canestrelli[/quote] +1 to all that. I risk being very controversial here but I still think nobody can touch him for innovation, melody and such a sweet sound. I don't think the Millers and Wootens of this world however competent they are will ever achieve the reverence of Jaco. When I listen to Jaco every note seems to be just right and have a purpose. When I listen to the others its just notes one after the other and does nothing for me. But then I am a Percy Jones fan so my state of mind is questionable ? Edited December 8, 2008 by Prosebass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmz Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Good to see there are people out there that like Percy Jones too ! He's my Jaco - if you see what I mean. I LOVE Jaco dearly don't get me wrong - I have everything he's done (just about) - but Percy just pushes one or two more buttons more for me - I particularly love his "Wal" period but have grown to love his early "P-bass" stuff too...... Back to Jaco - Would like to see some Joni Mitchell albums re-mastered - especially Don Juan's Reckless Daughter and Mingus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouMa Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Jaco was a true artist and pioneer,alot of technical players these days are very impressive but just practice a lot and train there memory.Most of the greats Pastorius,hendrix,etc did not practice all the time they had an interesting non bass life as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 [quote name='lemmywinks' post='348975' date='Dec 8 2008, 07:58 PM']From the Shadows and Light gig i think. There's some awesome songs on that. Check Dry Cleaner from Des Moines, that's ace![/quote] I could murder the dickhead who edited that. Some of the finest grooves ever on Dry Cleaner and instead of showing the man's hands at work they stick in some dumb ass shots of Las Vegas lights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosebass Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 [quote name='dmz' post='349247' date='Dec 9 2008, 12:14 AM']Good to see there are people out there that like Percy Jones too ! He's my Jaco - if you see what I mean. I LOVE Jaco dearly don't get me wrong - I have everything he's done (just about) - but Percy just pushes one or two more buttons more for me - I particularly love his "Wal" period but have grown to love his early "P-bass" stuff too...... Back to Jaco - Would like to see some Joni Mitchell albums re-mastered - especially Don Juan's Reckless Daughter and Mingus[/quote] Percy Jones was as much an influence to me as Jaco, as was Mick Karn but with totally different styles, technique and noises. I went to Barretts in Manchester in 81 to buy a new bass. I was going to get either a Jazz or a Wal because of the influence of Jaco and Percy.The Jazz was too expensive so I went for the Wal (£235.00) The assistant suggested I tried a Hofner which to my surprise was much better than the Jazz and the Wal and was a mere £218.00. Still got it minus its frets.... [quote name='YouMa' post='349254' date='Dec 9 2008, 12:29 AM']Jaco was a true artist and pioneer,alot of technical players these days are very impressive but just practice a lot and train there memory.Most of the greats Pastorius,hendrix,etc did not practice all the time they had an interesting non bass life as well.[/quote] Pastorius and Hendrix certainly had interesting lives away from the stage, wish I had been with them to sample it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouMa Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 [quote name='Prosebass' post='349283' date='Dec 9 2008, 01:12 AM']Percy Jones was as much an influence to me as Jaco, as was Mick Karn but with totally different styles, technique and noises. I went to Barretts in Manchester in 81 to buy a new bass. I was going to get either a Jazz or a Wal because of the influence of Jaco and Percy.The Jazz was too expensive so I went for the Wal (£235.00) The assistant suggested I tried a Hofner which to my surprise was much better than the Jazz and the Wal and was a mere £218.00. Still got it minus its frets.... Pastorius and Hendrix certainly had interesting lives away from the stage, wish I had been with them to sample it [/quote] Yeah man,the brightest light burns twice as fast,Rock n f***in roll! thats why i started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saibuster Posted December 9, 2008 Author Share Posted December 9, 2008 At the end of the day, its all down to taste. I find the second part of this video mind blowing and wanted to share with my fellow bass chatters! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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