steve-soar Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 [quote name='phil.i.stein' post='988440' date='Oct 14 2010, 09:18 PM']+1 punk [b]should[/b] be an attitude, not a sound. techno, d'n'b, dubstep etc. is more punk than that frat-rock crap i hear too much of these days. it's about anyone being able to do it, not just record industry mo-fo's.[/quote]Spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynepunkdude Posted October 14, 2010 Author Share Posted October 14, 2010 [quote name='phil.i.stein' post='988440' date='Oct 14 2010, 09:18 PM']+1 punk [b]should[/b] be an attitude, not a sound. techno, d'n'b, dubstep etc. is more punk than that frat-rock crap i hear too much of these days. it's about anyone being able to do it, not just record industry mo-fo's.[/quote] I think by 'frat rock' you mean 'pop-punk' I can't stand that either, I think a lot of people are judging punk today by this with out actually listening to anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil.i.stein Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 [quote name='waynepunkdude' post='988454' date='Oct 14 2010, 09:34 PM']I think by 'frat rock' you mean 'pop-punk' I can't stand that either, I think a lot of people are judging punk today by this with out actually listening to anything else.[/quote] yeh, everyone uses their own terminology. you obviously gathered what i meant by that term. i don't mind some pop stuff myself, but that is exactly that - i.e. pop with a punk influence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry_B Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 [quote name='waynepunkdude' post='988386' date='Oct 14 2010, 08:22 PM']Are you talking about 'The Decline of Western Civilisation'?[/quote] No. 'American Hardcore' was made more recently - 2006. Worth a watch if you can find it somewhere. There's a book called 'Our Band Could Be Your Life' which covers alot of similar ground (altho' in a bit of an overdone music journo' way). [url="http://www.youtube.com/user/OurBandCould#g/u"]This YouTube channel[/url] also gives examples of some of the bands. After Hardcore, and during it, the US punk scene went in alot of different directions. Not everyone agreed with all the content being created - different people would say some stuff was more part of the scene than others. The Crossover and Straightedge scenes usually rubbed the most amount of people up the wrong way Both spiraled off into crapness over time too (mind you, Crossover was crap already IMHO ...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil.i.stein Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 i also would like to add that punk (to my mind) was about protest. rap/hip-hop has suffered a similar decline. the mainstream loves to adopt things and water them down, as we all know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassix Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 [quote name='Jerry_B' post='988376' date='Oct 14 2010, 08:10 PM']That ignores alot of Punk then - '77 was just the kickstart in one place.[/quote] It was more a comment on the elitist nature of the punk scene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil.i.stein Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 [quote name='bassix' post='988549' date='Oct 14 2010, 10:32 PM']It was more a comment on the elitist nature of the punk scene.[/quote] we probably need an 'irony' icon to add to the recent gas one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry_B Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Ahaaaaa! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil.i.stein Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 [quote name='Jerry_B' post='988577' date='Oct 14 2010, 10:51 PM']Ahaaaaa! [/quote] oh ! i suppose so, but that one's always a bit of a swiss-army one for me, i never know whether it means sarcasm or 'nudge nudge, wink wink' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulWarning Posted October 15, 2010 Share Posted October 15, 2010 all these posts just go to show what a broad church punk has become, but for me, old enough to have been there when punk broke, it's the Ramones that do it for me, fast melodic songs stripped down to the bare essentials, after all they were the first true punk band, weren't they?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Vincent Posted October 15, 2010 Share Posted October 15, 2010 [quote name='Mrs. Butcher' post='231332' date='Jul 2 2008, 02:11 PM']no mention of the Minutemen yet. Mike Watt is one of punks greatest bassists.[/quote] And now in the Stooges. Nuff said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Vincent Posted October 15, 2010 Share Posted October 15, 2010 [quote name='PaulWarning' post='989423' date='Oct 15 2010, 04:45 PM']all these posts just go to show what a broad church punk has become, but for me, old enough to have been there when punk broke, it's the Ramones that do it for me, fast melodic songs stripped down to the bare essentials, after all they were the first true punk band, weren't they?.[/quote] Well noted for their socio political stance...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil.i.stein Posted October 15, 2010 Share Posted October 15, 2010 (edited) [quote name='phil.i.stein' post='988249' date='Oct 14 2010, 06:26 PM']anyone remember Refused ? (swedish post-punk stuff) the singer and drummer have a new hardcore outfit called AC4 [url="http://www.myspace.com/ac4hc"]http://www.myspace.com/ac4hc[/url] the drummer now plays bass. i'm off to see 'em tomorrow night in Peterborough. then melt banana (japanese noise) at Nottingham rock city, followed by Coda (dubstep band) in Peterborough, both on Saturday. viva la red-bull ! [/quote] ..just got back from AC4. - not the kind of swedish hardcore i usually watch.. they were awesome, full of energy and thoroughly entertaining. i recommend. i'm not used to going to gigs without sinking a few beers (driving), but i still had a dance. no doubt i'll be able to watch my idiotic flailing on youtube in a week or two.. tomorrow should be crazy too.. Edited October 15, 2010 by phil.i.stein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally Posted October 15, 2010 Share Posted October 15, 2010 [quote name='phil.i.stein' post='989835' date='Oct 15 2010, 11:47 PM']..just got back from AC4. - not the kind of swedish hardcore i usually watch.. they were awesome, full of energy and thoroughly entertaining. i recommend. i'm not used to going to gigs without sinking a few beers (driving), but i still had a dance. no doubt i'll be able to watch my idiotic flailing on youtube in a week or two.. tomorrow should be crazy too.. [/quote] Cheers for the nod on AC4 (loved refused) glad and jealous you had a good time. Your Saturday looks great - an ear thrashing followed by head mug - enjoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil.i.stein Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 ressurection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil.i.stein Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 (edited) [quote name='phil.i.stein' post='1003166' date='Oct 27 2010, 11:19 PM']ressurection. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ that would be an acciedental bump.. [/quote] Edited October 27, 2010 by phil.i.stein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil.i.stein Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 here again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry_B Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil.i.stein Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 i wish i could play this game all night, but i'll be in trouble if i do .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bottlebassman Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 Been listening to a lot of Dead Kennedy's lately, god they were great, don't you think? The "Lost sessions" videos on youtube of the "In god we trust" sessions are superb. Love Klaus Flouride's playing, pity they fell out with Jello. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPAC Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 Found out that all my pristine vinyl 1970's punk records are all ruined by my nephew who borrowed them without my knowledge... sob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MacDaddy Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 [quote name='WHUFC BASS' post='1029111' date='Nov 19 2010, 11:59 AM'] [/quote] Saw them headline at one of the F*ck Reading's in the 90's, great gig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartelby Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 [quote name='JPAC' post='1029088' date='Nov 19 2010, 11:41 AM']Found out that all my pristine vinyl 1970's punk records are all ruined by my nephew who borrowed them without my knowledge... sob. [/quote] Is castration to harsh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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