bassjamm Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 Hi guys, Just watched a clinic by Victor Wooten. He's using a drum machine that allows you to have 2 bars of drums, then 2 bars of silence, 1 bar of drums, 3 bars of silence, 1 beat, then 3 bars and 3 beats of silence. Does that make sense? If anyone knows of any drum machines that can do that please pipe up. If it can play chords over the top it'd be a bonus, not essentiall though. Thanks Jamie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubs Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 Can you not programme any drum machine to do that? Maybe I've missed the point of what it's doing, but you can programme any drum machine to do anything if you've got the perseverance, but that sounds like some fairly simple programming that shouldn’t take longer than a couple of minutes. I remember in my second year of college I had to programme a drum machine that could only be set up in 4/4 timing to play a 5 minute song with a 7/8 beat - now that took a bit of time, but I done it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB1 Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 MB1. Any of the BOSS BR series digital studios including the micro will do this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar South Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 Alesis SR-16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Burpster Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 This is what I use.... [url="http://www.zoom.co.jp/english/products/mrt3/index.php"]http://www.zoom.co.jp/english/products/mrt3/index.php[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnt Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 (edited) I think a lot of them can do the job, though not all are easy to get hold of. [url="http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/prodlist.php?category=Drum+machines%2Fmods"]GAK[/url] has a really good deal on the Alesis SR-16 (£70), probably because the [url="http://www.alesis.com/sr18"]SR-18[/url] is coming. (The SR-16 is a really old design (from 1991) that does drums only, and the SR-18 can do basslines, but not chords.) I have an Akai MPC1000, so I would probably get along well with their [url="http://www.akaipro.com/xr20"]XR20[/url] (which can do melodic synth parts too), but it looks a bit expensive at £219. Note that Akai and Alesis are both brand names of Numark now, and the SR-18 and XR20 are probably related. Their reference manuals look like they were written by the same person, using the same template. My old [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_QY10"]Yamaha QY10[/url] can do (really cheesy) drums and chords, and I'm keeping it till it comes back in to fashion... which may take some time. Or, I might [url="http://burnkit2600.com/gear/yamaha-qy-10/"]bend[/url] it. Edited June 26, 2008 by bnt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassjamm Posted June 26, 2008 Author Share Posted June 26, 2008 Thanks guys. If i were to get something i wouldn't want to have to sit around programming it for ages, i guess that some of these just have buttons for this kind of thing? As for chords, it'd only need to be basic changes, although i can just whack these on my looper if needs be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 [quote name='Oscar South' post='227395' date='Jun 26 2008, 02:29 PM']Alesis SR-16[/quote] +1 for SR-16, also the Zoom 234 If you want nice old skool sounds go for the Alesis HR-16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorris Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 [quote name='bassjamm' post='227367' date='Jun 26 2008, 02:10 PM']Hi guys, Just watched a clinic by Victor Wooten. He's using a drum machine that allows you to have 2 bars of drums, then 2 bars of silence, 1 bar of drums, 3 bars of silence, 1 beat, then 3 bars and 3 beats of silence. Does that make sense? If anyone knows of any drum machines that can do that please pipe up. If it can play chords over the top it'd be a bonus, not essentiall though. Thanks Jamie[/quote] Do you definitely require dedicated hardware ? - not a PC / Mac solution. In general you'll need to program the 'drum' bars anyway and then you can insert 'silent' bars as required. But if you can deal with having a PC/Mac/Laptop then you'd have a much better graphic interface on to see what's going on. Maybe use 'e-jay' software for simple copy / paste pattern costruction - not limited to just drums. Or if you want the sounds from a particular drum / rhythm machine run a PC MIDI sequencer controllig the hardware unit ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crez5150 Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 you could always just use the foot pedal to stop the drum machine and start it again.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976fenderhead Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 Why not just some sequencer software? Anything like Cubase, Ableton Live, Reason, Garageband, Logic... There are light versions you can buy for cheap and they'll do beats, chords, melodies, arrangements, effects... complete backup bands for you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassjamm Posted June 27, 2008 Author Share Posted June 27, 2008 Yeah, i've thought about the software route...seems like it might be a good idea! I'll keep an eye out then, does fuity loops offer this function? Thanks guys, Jam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queenofthedepths Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 I use Guitar Pro to do this, as well as many other things! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976fenderhead Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 [quote name='bassjamm' post='227846' date='Jun 27 2008, 09:55 AM']Yeah, i've thought about the software route...seems like it might be a good idea! I'll keep an eye out then, does fuity loops offer this function? Thanks guys, Jam[/quote] It should be fine, but I wouldn't go for that one, I'd go for the industry standards, which nowadays seem to be more and more Cubase on PC or Logic on Mac. You can get the light versions of these for a little over £100 (or a little less on eBay, new and sealed). The reason I suggest these is that if you continue using software like this (which is likely), you'll almost certainly end up settling on one of these 2 in the end, and learning the definitive program once is better than learning a few that you'll end up dropping along the way... Logic's light version is better than Cubase's light version, but you'd need a Mac. And Garageband is a great fun program to use, would probably be ideal for you, and the transition for logic is very very easy as they have the same principles. But again, you'd need a Mac. Everyone should have a Mac, really... ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorchin Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 Why not just save yourself the cash and run a free software-based drum machine? I can't recommend the Hydrogen music drum machine anymore! Not only can it handle all sorts of time signatures, but it has many different drum sounds that you extend yourself or use the wealth available on the site. Download here: [url="http://www.hydrogen-music.org/"]http://www.hydrogen-music.org/[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorris Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 [quote name='1976fenderhead' post='228073' date='Jun 27 2008, 02:56 PM']It should be fine, but I wouldn't go for that one, I'd go for the industry standards, which nowadays seem to be more and more Cubase on PC or Logic on Mac. You can get the light versions of these for a little over £100 (or a little less on eBay, new and sealed). The reason I suggest these is that if you continue using software like this (which is likely), you'll almost certainly end up settling on one of these 2 in the end, and learning the definitive program once is better than learning a few that you'll end up dropping along the way... Logic's light version is better than Cubase's light version, but you'd need a Mac. And Garageband is a great fun program to use, would probably be ideal for you, and the transition for logic is very very easy as they have the same principles. But again, you'd need a Mac. Everyone should have a Mac, really... ;-)[/quote] +1 If going that route and using a PC take a look at Sonar from Cakewalk also. Newest 'proper' Sonar software has enhanced MIDI capabilities but it also comes in 'light' versions I think. Having evaluated both I have to say I found Sonar support both from Cakewalk in USA and distributor 'Etcetera' here a lot better and helpful than Steinberg with Cubase. I think you can still download a demo ( 30 day ) version of Sonar from their site to try out. There is a point to think about in that dedicated hardware can sometimes have better timing than software on computer solutions - depends on the PC setup / MIDI buffers / MIDI handling etc. If you want to be able to see what's going on a software / PC solution is the only way really imo whether you use internal sounds or external hardware. But if into the hardware only approach, apart from the SR-16 etc , the Akai / Roger Linn kit has to be worth a look but it ain't cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorris Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 [quote name='Scorchin' post='228272' date='Jun 27 2008, 08:15 PM']Why not just save yourself the cash and run a free software-based drum machine? I can't recommend the Hydrogen music drum machine anymore! Not only can it handle all sorts of time signatures, but it has many different drum sounds that you extend yourself or use the wealth available on the site. Download here: [url="http://www.hydrogen-music.org/"]http://www.hydrogen-music.org/[/url][/quote] Just had a brief look at the site - but it's for Linux only ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51m0n Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 [quote name='rmorris' post='228293' date='Jun 27 2008, 09:07 PM']Just had a brief look at the site - but it's for Linux only ???[/quote] Not so there is a windows installer on the site too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platypus Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 [quote name='rmorris' post='228292' date='Jun 27 2008, 09:04 PM']But if into the hardware only approach, apart from the SR-16 etc , the Akai / Roger Linn kit has to be worth a look but it ain't cheap.[/quote] I got one of these last week - Alesis Performance Pad - [url="http://www.dv247.com/invt/46927/"]http://www.dv247.com/invt/46927/[/url] it's the Alesis SR16 drum machine plus the pads build on top. great fun - its fast becoming a family entertainment center ! I just leave it plugged in to an old Peavey Microbass practice amp.... Here's a review done my a drummer: [url="http://www.mikedolbear.co.uk/story.asp?StoryID=1600"]http://www.mikedolbear.co.uk/story.asp?StoryID=1600[/url] P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorris Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 [quote name='Platypus' post='247294' date='Jul 24 2008, 09:27 PM']I got one of these last week - Alesis Performance Pad - [url="http://www.dv247.com/invt/46927/"]http://www.dv247.com/invt/46927/[/url] it's the Alesis SR16 drum machine plus the pads build on top. great fun - its fast becoming a family entertainment center ! I just leave it plugged in to an old Peavey Microbass practice amp.... Here's a review done my a drummer: [url="http://www.mikedolbear.co.uk/story.asp?StoryID=1600"]http://www.mikedolbear.co.uk/story.asp?StoryID=1600[/url] P[/quote] looks fun - reminds me that I'm meaning to sell an Alesis SR-16 - will try it on this site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassMunkee Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 Zoom RT223 - that'll do you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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