Vanderkley!

[doctor_of_the_bass]

Hallo!

Now using Vanderkley cabs - totally knocked out by the depth and clarity! Bought two - the 410 and the 112 - both neolite cabs (410 for main gigs and the 112 for theatre/rehearsals/small gigs! Hoping to get another one soon!). Anyone else moved over to these?

Cheers!

Nick

[EBS_freak]

Good move - the MarkBass cabs - and I know that they have their fans, just don't deliver the clarity that I believe they should. The Vanderkley cabs are impressive beasties.

[skychaserhigh]

Yep , got a 2112 mnt cab , amazing quality of sounds and build too .

[whynot]

Yes excellent cabs. Unfortunately had to move mine on as not fitting my current gigging needs and needed money for other projects, but will hopefully have these again next year sometime.

[LawrenceH]

Does anyone know what drivers these are loaded with? Faitals?

[stevie]

The same thought occurred to me. Doesn't anyone open their cabs up and look inside? (Must just be me then).

[funkle]

Looks like a Faital driver in there. I'm guessing the 12HP1020 (http://www.faitalpro.com/products/schede/hps.php?id=201050110).

[LawrenceH]

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Looks like a Faital driver in there. I'm guessing the 12HP1020 ([url="http://www.faitalpro.com/products/schede/hps.php?id=201050110"]http://www.faitalpro...hp?id=201050110[/url]).
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I don't think that one's really designed for a conventional reflex box, I'd assume the 12PR300 for the lower power handling cabs and the 12FH520 for the higher.

[funkle]

Fair enough, I don't know enough about reading all the specs to be certain, and I know you've built a few cabs, so I'll defer to experience there. I was mainly looking at the freq/SPL charts. There is a serious roll-off in the low end in the Vanderkleys compared to my Acmes so I went hunting for a driver with the right dB rating, power rating, and which had an SPL/freq chart which matched what I hear. Of course the box and tuning have an impact on that.

I will point out I think the Vanderkley is an excellent cab; I just think a lot of the low end if from the 1st harmonics of E and A being emphasised as opposed to the fundamental. I don't think most people would ever know unless they had an Acme next to it pumping out the fundamental for comparison. Which I do. The Streamliner probably pairs well as it has a lot of baked in low end (at least according to the charts I've seen on Talkbass and my ears) which fattens things out nicely.

Anyhoo, my 2p.

[Rumple]

Picking up a 212MNT in about 45 minutes

[Walker]

Got a couple of 112MNT's. absolutely love them. Tweeters turned off as they hiss like mad with my rig.

[LawrenceH]

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I will point out I think the Vanderkley is an excellent cab; I just think a lot of the low end if from the 1st harmonics of E and A being emphasised as opposed to the fundamental. I don't think most people would ever know unless they had an Acme next to it pumping out the fundamental for comparison. Which I do. The Streamliner probably pairs well as it has a lot of baked in low end (at least according to the charts I've seen on Talkbass and my ears) which fattens things out nicely.
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I've not heard them yet but according to hearsay these Faitals are some of the best neo speakers on the market at any price and are where I'd look if I was building a new cab. I'm sure the Vanderkleys sound excellent! It's very unusual for any cab to be flat between 40 and 100Hz, and the Faitals should go as loud or louder in this region than the Acme can manage, it'll just be (a lot) louder still higher up! I'd love to build a super-compact cab around their 8pr200 as well.

[stevie]

It sounds like people are finally realizing the benefits of fitting high quality drivers. It's about time.

[martin8708]

I gig a 212MNT cab, had it for about a year , powered by a Markbass Tube 800 .
Cuts right through two greedy guitarists like a butchers knife .
I can actually run the cab at lower volumes because I can hear what the bass is doing despite the guitarist best efforts to hog the whole sonic spectrum.
Not as deep ( subby ) as my old Markbass Cabs , but not as muddy either.
Thinking about a single 12 for practice /rehearsal .

( apologies for lack of techno - guff , if it sounds good , I like it )

[funkle]

Hey Lawrence, PM'd you. Could use your thoughts.

[Musicman20]

The new Genz NX2 cab has faital speakers...any idea which ones?

[LawrenceH]

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The new Genz NX2 cab has faital speakers...any idea which ones?
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Gotta be based around the 12PR300 chassis I'd say.

[skychaserhigh]

This article may give some clues as to what drivers are in the cabs.

[url="http://www.vanderkley.blogspot.co.uk/2011_11_01_archive.html#7356650490055236796"]http://www.vanderkley.blogspot.co.uk/2011_11_01_archive.html#7356650490055236796[/url]

[LawrenceH]

Ah useful thanks! You can see it's an OEM version of the 12pr300, so they're definitely using Faitals. How similar it sounds to the Genz cab would depend on the crossover implementation and the chosen HF unit.
The Genz crosses quite high at 4kHz, a bit too high really if you want to avoid an off-axis drop in the upper-mid-range response. But that's almost universal in 2-way designs as it takes advantage of the natural on-axis roll off that starts round 3.5kHz, and is a LOT cheaper to implement in terms of components!
One speaker that Faital make that really intrigues me is the little 3" full-range 3fe22. It would be very interesting to see how that behaved as a midrange on a suitable horn with a 10" driver, if you got it right the off-axis response could be fantastic. At £20 or so I might buy one to play around with at some point.