icastle Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 [quote name='Johnston' timestamp='1331399465' post='1572434'] Is an iPad not bigger than 3" ? [/quote] Not when I get iConfused between iPad and iPod... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monckyman Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 X32 for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted March 11, 2012 Author Share Posted March 11, 2012 Blimey, no wonder so many of you are still using Fender basses What is it with this inability to accept new technology and approaches? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtcat Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 [quote name='silddx' timestamp='1331481497' post='1573428'] Blimey, no wonder so many of you are still using Fender basses What is it with this inability to accept new technology and approaches? [/quote] Not necessarily an inability to accept new tech more a wariness of another very expensive product that claims to be a miracle turd polisher. I'd like to see how it rates after being on the market a year or two first. I hope it turns out to be a revolutionary bit of kit but the problem with most live sound is with the ears of the technician not the mixing desk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skej21 Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 [quote name='silddx' timestamp='1331481497' post='1573428'] Blimey, no wonder so many of you are still using Fender basses What is it with this inability to accept new technology and approaches? [/quote] I'd have accepted if it was from ANYONE other than Line 6. Hype-merchants! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted March 11, 2012 Author Share Posted March 11, 2012 [quote name='skej21' timestamp='1331482896' post='1573470'] I'd have accepted if it was from ANYONE other than Line 6. Hype-merchants! [/quote] Line 6 ? They are helping to change the way music is made. They have helped make my musical life enormously more convenient, creative and expressive. Hype merchants? So what? There is hype everywhere. Hype is normal now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skej21 Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 [quote name='silddx' timestamp='1331483350' post='1573480'] Line 6 ? They are helping to change the way music is made. [/quote] By poorly modelling amps, effects and now live sound? I haven't used/heard a line 6 product yet that actually SOUNDS good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted March 11, 2012 Author Share Posted March 11, 2012 [quote name='skej21' timestamp='1331483774' post='1573487'] By poorly modelling amps, effects and now live sound? I haven't used/heard a line 6 product yet that actually SOUNDS good. [/quote] Please expand on this. My bass and guitar sounds fabulous on my POD X3 LIVE. I defy ANYONE to be able to tell me, with evidence, that my sounds are not GOOD. Of course there are plenty of people who don't know how to programme good patches, just like there are people who can't set up their amp and bass and pedals to get a nice tone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icastle Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 [quote name='silddx' timestamp='1331481497' post='1573428'] Blimey, no wonder so many of you are still using Fender basses What is it with this inability to accept new technology and approaches? [/quote] Well apart from being a bit of a Luddite, I'd like to see the MK2 version of this go to market before I'd consider investing. It's just a little bit too radical a change for me to deal with in one go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monckyman Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Just think it`s a musical equivelant of my first pony. Maybe the UI is cool for teenagers unable to operate normal desks but its not for me. Nothing to do with the technology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
risingson Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 I saw it when it first came out and I still struggle with a.) the price and b.) to see what advantages it can offer my band over our current P.A and mixer (none it would seem). Respect to them for offering something new but I can't help but feel that it all looks a bit sh*te... and I too am not a huge Line 6 fan either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crez5150 Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 I reckon this is the flagship model..... expensive.... not sure many people will buy it.... but it gets the idea of the technology out there. Then they will start to release cheaper versions and that's when the cash registers start to ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted March 11, 2012 Author Share Posted March 11, 2012 [quote name='crez5150' timestamp='1331504235' post='1573983'] I reckon this is the flagship model..... expensive.... not sure many people will buy it.... but it gets the idea of the technology out there. Then they will start to release cheaper versions and that's when the cash registers start to ring. [/quote] Quite. To the nay sayers, how do you think you navigate information now, as opposed to 15-20 years ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skankdelvar Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 [quote name='silddx' timestamp='1331504596' post='1573990'] To the nay sayers, how do you think you navigate information now, as opposed to 15-20 years ago? [/quote] [color=#008000][font=courier new, courier, monospace]C:\basschat\forum\thelocal\generald~\bloodyhe~\response\skankdel~\content[/font][/color] [color=#008000][font=courier new, courier, monospace]WRITE:[/font][/color] [color=#008000][font=courier new, courier, monospace]*what's your point?*[/font][/color] [color=#008000][font=courier new, courier, monospace]:ENDWRITE[/font][/color] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icastle Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 [quote name='silddx' timestamp='1331504596' post='1573990'] To the nay sayers, how do you think you navigate information now, as opposed to 15-20 years ago? [/quote] I navigate a [b]mixing desk [/b]the same way now as I did 15-20 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted March 12, 2012 Author Share Posted March 12, 2012 [quote name='skankdelvar' timestamp='1331505442' post='1574008'] [color=#008000][font=courier new, courier, monospace]C:\basschat\forum\thelocal\generald~\bloodyhe~\response\skankdel~\content[/font][/color] [color=#008000][font=courier new, courier, monospace]WRITE:[/font][/color] [color=#008000][font=courier new, courier, monospace]*what's your point?*[/font][/color] [color=#008000][font=courier new, courier, monospace]:ENDWRITE[/font][/color] [/quote] My point is that we now have highly evolved graphical interfaces to information. Why not use these types of interfaces for a mixing desk? There is also the point that most people don't know much at all about EQ and frequencies' characteristics. You only have to ask on here what a certain bass sounds like to get answers full of adjectives, not frequency information. Your amplifiers use these same type of descriptions for their EQs. Yes, the StageScape interface seems a bit 'dumbed down' to many of us perhaps, but that's because we are naturally disposed to acquiring specialised skills and feeling clever, and not trusting people who can only describe a sound as 'dark' when you can describe it in frequencies. Just like a 'real' musician knows note names and can read notation. But the end result is usually the same and only other musicians care about what's going on under the bonnet. Is your mobile phone a 'dumbed down' interface because you don't have to remember everyone's number anymore, just their name? I think for what I believe the target market is for StageScape, it could be revolutionary. If we open our minds a bit and not judge it harshly before we know what it's like to use or how it sounds compared to the usual physical interface desks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charic Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 [quote name='skej21' timestamp='1331482896' post='1573470'] I'd have accepted if it was from ANYONE other than Line 6. Hype-merchants! [/quote] The Lowdown series of Bass amps had some usable sounds in there (ok there's differing opinions but I always used to get compliments on my sound) The BassPods have some brilliant effects, some not bad modelling The effects pedals for guitar/bass are quite highly regarded and very feature rich The recording interfaces seem to get very good reviews for the price point The higher level of their guitar amps have been on some fairly big names stages and sounded very good All of the above are made to a fantastic build quality level and mostly manage to look good at the same time I have a huge respect for line6 and what they do. They're always trying SOMETHING new rather than following the norm. The effects pedal you can program yourself for example! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51m0n Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 [quote name='silddx' timestamp='1331484084' post='1573493'] Please expand on this. My bass and guitar sounds fabulous on my POD X3 LIVE. I defy ANYONE to be able to tell me, with evidence, that my sounds are not GOOD. [b][i]Of course there are plenty of people who don't know how to programme good patches, just like there are people who can't set up their amp and bass and pedals to get a nice tone.[/i][/b] [/quote] Exactly. There are plenty of people who dont understand EQ/Compression/Mic placement/Additive FX etc, and that PA device will rendered utterly uselss merely by poor mic placement. If I saw a band using one and they sounded remotely good I would be looking for the engineer in the band, because that bit of kit isnt going to solve all the issues on its own IMO. I've used other devices that 'help' with live sound (dbx LiveRack springs to mind) and believe me they all need an engineers brain to get the most out of them, none of them are very good on their own. Personally I prefer to use decent individual tools and some skill to control whats going on FOH... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 [quote name='51m0n' timestamp='1331548259' post='1574379'] Personally I prefer to use decent individual tools and some skill to control whats going on FOH... [/quote] Are you busy on the twenty-fourth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51m0n Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 [quote name='silddx' timestamp='1331504596' post='1573990'] Quite. To the nay sayers, how do you think you navigate information now, as opposed to 15-20 years ago? [/quote] With the best available tool for the job. UI and human computer interfaces is my bread and butter, and nothing, NOTHING, beats a good mixing desk for speed and convenience with sound engineering. [quote name='silddx' timestamp='1331538154' post='1574200'] My point is that we now have highly evolved graphical interfaces to information. Why not use these types of interfaces for a mixing desk? [/quote] Because you ears are what counts, not your eyes, its sound engineering, not photoshop. No one has yet managed to produce a UI for souind engineering that doesnt kid your brain about the actual sound that is produced, because we are vision-centric animals. [quote name='silddx' timestamp='1331538154' post='1574200'] There is also the point that most people don't know much at all about EQ and frequencies' characteristics. You only have to ask on here what a certain bass sounds like to get answers full of adjectives, not frequency information. Your amplifiers use these same type of descriptions for their EQs. [/quote] Then they will be no better off for allowing a device to give them a cookie cutter solution to their live sound You need to know the basics to drive a car, you need mor eknowledge to drive it well. If you get into problems you need even more knowledge to get out of the s*** quickly. Clever gadgets in cars make people learn less about driving well, and there is an argument that they endanger as much as protect, since when you do lose it you are going so fast you have no chance of getting it back, regardless of skill. [quote name='silddx' timestamp='1331538154' post='1574200'] Yes, the StageScape interface seems a bit 'dumbed down' to many of us perhaps, but that's because we are naturally disposed to acquiring specialised skills and feeling clever, and not trusting people who can only describe a sound as 'dark' when you can describe it in frequencies. Just like a 'real' musician knows note names and can read notation. But the end result is usually the same and only other musicians care about what's going on under the bonnet. Is your mobile phone a 'dumbed down' interface because you don't have to remember everyone's number anymore, just their name? [/quote] No its because you need the proper skills to do the job right. Remembering a name vs a number is not an equivalent skillset to live engineering mate. In Interface terms its often an adequate replacement. Of course if you forget the name you're screwed. I've lost count how many times I've seen people struggle to remember how to add a new contact on their phone. Inadequate interface? Well yes, but if they just knew the number it would be irrelevant wouldnt it... [quote name='silddx' timestamp='1331538154' post='1574200'] I think for what I believe the target market is for StageScape, it could be revolutionary. If we open our minds a bit and not judge it harshly before we know what it's like to use or how it sounds compared to the usual physical interface desks. [/quote] Cant wait, dumbing down user interfaces works so well IME. Dumbing down complex skills into simple ideas is fine until that device runs into its preprogrammed boundaries dow n the Dog and Duck cos their room layout renders it unable to provide enough lead vocal in the monitor without feedback The number of people in bands with 6K to blow on this kit cant be that many,m and they would all, ALL do better to buy normal PA kit and go on a course on FOH sound IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51m0n Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 [quote name='discreet' timestamp='1331548480' post='1574385'] Are you busy on the twenty-fourth? [/quote] Haha! Almost certainly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 [quote name='51m0n' timestamp='1331549347' post='1574413'] Haha! Almost certainly [/quote] Dammit! Realise I was only half-joking, now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51m0n Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Turns out I am busy on the 24th, Plux is playing the Olympic Torch ceremony (as it passes through Brighton) with the big band, I will be watching, and providing transportation.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted September 22, 2012 Author Share Posted September 22, 2012 Have a read of this. I reckon the StageScape and the Behringer X-32 will be the new faces of smaller venue live sound. They both look excellent in their respective fields, but my heart goes with the StageScape, it's sounds really really good and I like the interface ideas. http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/apr12/articles/line-6-tech-interview.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musicman20 Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Great idea...Id like to see it/hear it in use. I'm half way between a traditional/modern player. I love a nice Fender, but then I play a Musicman Big Al and realise how much further we have come. The same goes for amps. I love my old fashioned tube amp (Orange), but the wonder of the TC RH750 grabs me everytime I use it. Technology is wonderful. I'd be lost without my iPhone 4S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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