Faithless Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 (edited) Well, I may be misunderstood for this, but I'll try at least.. So, it's about half-a-year I'm on this chat - reading topics, laughing at Ped( everything's cool, mate ), watching sorta porn, so on.. And it's really nice to be 'surrounded' by so many people, that are sensible about basses and stuff, but, the thing I kinda feel this area is lack of a bit is... When I think of Basschat, I simply [i]know[/i] that people love Fender's, a words called [i]groove and jazz[/i], Jamerson and so much other thingies, but.. Aren't we interested in what John Myung is doing, what's Dood doing ( we have our own rocky-chaps here, don't we? ), what about Rob Trujillo's using, how's new Meshuggah's album ( IMO Nothing is their best work so far..), do you know Dysrhythmia and sooooo on... Generaly, I'm interested in that 'complex' side of rock/metal music, and those persons/bands musicially, technically, visualy, even psychologically represent it for me.. I mean, I like music of any genre, one day I listen to some Les Claypool tunes, the other to Jay Kay's voice, the third to some crazy Meshuggah rhythmic patterns.. There's so much good music out there, but don't you, folks, want to ROCK? I hope at least few understood my flimflams.. Cheers, chaps, waitin' for you thoughts, F8 Edited March 22, 2008 by Faithless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queenofthedepths Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Well, personally I think obZen's very good too, but yeah, can't beat Nothing... Is this a very subtle "GOD I HATE JAZZ!!!" thread? I like metal and jazz, but metal is music to listen to whilst jazz is music to talk about! The thing about bass and metal is that typically, if a bassist does anything other than play root notes or just copying the rhythm guitar, it's seen as not metal, or at least incorporating other styles, so when we talk about fretless bass players, we're including Steve DiGiorgio and Chapman sticks and ERBs are gonna relate to John Myung or whatever but nobody's really interested in what Dick Lövgren plays because it's exactly the same as the guitar... right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassmandan Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 doesn't Branson own it now?!?...... [url="http://imageshack.us"][/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ped Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Whatcha laughin' at me for :0( ;0) I don't like Fenders especially... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 [quote name='Faithless' post='161815' date='Mar 22 2008, 03:28 PM']Well, I may be misunderstood for this, but I'll try at least.. When I think of Basschat, I simply [i]know[/i] that people love Fender's, a words called [i]groove and jazz[/i], Jamerson and so much other thingies, but..[/quote] You forgot Shukers aswell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ped Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 For a moment there I thought we were going to have a thread without 'Shuker' in it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnt Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 For me it's complicated... I have a particular vision of what I want Rock Bass to be, influenced by my history of listening to Progressive music. It's not really compatible with most of what's going on today, I feel. Geddy Lee has been a big influence in the past, but to me his Fender + SansAmp sound of the last decade doesn't stand out the way his previous bass sounds did - my fave being the "light" Wal on [i]Presto[/i], and the Steinberger on [i]Grace Under Pressure[/i]. Even when he used the [i]same[/i] Fender Jazz before, it still sounded unique - like no-one else. I've enjoyed previous Muse albums, with Chris getting some great sounds out of his Pedulla, but he's also partly retreated to Fender. Though he's kept the fuzz boxes and has a Rickenbacker too. I suppose the main problem I have with Fenders and copies is a kind of elitism on my part: everyone's doing it, basses being cranked out like McDonalds Cheeseburgers, and I'm not hearing the variety in sound that I used to. I know Fenders can sound interesting if the player works at it, but I have to say that nearly all the bass sounds I've liked in the past were not Fender sounds. From McCartney through Entwistle & Squire, Mick Karn, John Taylor, Tony Butler & Pino, Tony Levin or Jim Glennie, through to Cliff Burton, John Myung, Fieldy & Chris Wolstenholme. I want to hear that bass stamp its authority on the song, so I can hear the player clearly as a full member of the band, not just part of the "rhythm section". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queenofthedepths Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 So you reckon it's endemic as opposed to solely a basschat thing? I have to agree about Chris Wolstenholme especially - the bass on the latest album is totally uninspiring... still, not all Fender sounds are dull thuds - what about Jaco? He was never just part of the rhythm section Then again, he wasn't a rock bassist... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Funk Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 I think another factor might be that there aren't many rock bands around anymore. Instead we have "guitar bands". Wasn't there a time when that was pretty much any and every band? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allighatt0r Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 I think one of the most excellent rock bassists recently is the guy from the Kaiser Chiefs, almost all of his basslines are far more complex than they first seem. Sometime soon i'm gonna spend some time and work out one of the albums. Although i'm not sure the Kaiser Chiefs are what you mean by rock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpitfireXXII Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 I heard Primus today.... 'Jerry is a racecar driver' Claypool is insane!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrenochrome Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Hey, I'm all about the rock! Sure in the past I've dabbled in everything from garage-punk to metalcore but it all comes back to rock. Tomorrow night I'll be playing in front of about 2000 bikers who love the rock. It's never gone away, there are just a lot of varieties of it at the moment. Fender Ps generally sound dull and the music of Mr Pastorius bores me rigid. There i said it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassboy115 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 a fantastic rock bassist that plays today is Jared Followill from Kings of Leon, he is my biggest inspiration on the bass the way he incorporates licks with punchy root is awsome!...Honestly if you have listened to kings of leon before do it now, listen to Razz off the second album aha shake heartbreak, or joes head from their 1st youth and young manhood, or near enough any track off their new album because of the times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dood Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 [quote name='Faithless' post='161815' date='Mar 22 2008, 03:28 PM']Aren't we interested in what John Myung is doing, what's Dood doing ( we have our own rocky-chaps here, don't we? ),[/quote] I hope to be bringing BassChat some truly awesome news soon ;o) Bare with me! - On the subject though.. Yes I realise that the stuff I am into and love playing is a bit more niche than the likes of the Kaiser Chiefs (ref above). I certainly miss hearing about players who are pushing the envelope a bit.. and I don't necessarily mean being the fastest and having the most strings. I get quite excited about seeing well executed and totally mind boggling playing! The guys from my band have me laughing out loud with their craziness! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dread Bass Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 I just keep listening to the guy from between the buried and me and cynic you want to hear great metal bass there it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 [quote name='dood' post='161935' date='Mar 22 2008, 07:41 PM']I hope to be bringing BassChat some truly awesome news soon ;o) Bare with me! - On the subject though.. Yes I realise that the stuff I am into and love playing is a bit more niche than the likes of the Kaiser Chiefs (ref above). I certainly miss hearing about players who are pushing the envelope a bit.. and I don't necessarily mean being the fastest and having the most strings. I get quite excited about seeing well executed and totally mind boggling playing! The guys from my band have me laughing out loud with their craziness![/quote] So no sounds on the site yet dood? Looking forward to hearing some new prog stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 [quote name='dlloyd' post='161947' date='Mar 22 2008, 08:02 PM']I used to think I loved 'rock' music, but when I was between bands a couple of years back, I came to the conclusion it was a meaningless word. It didn't take long before I stopped answering ads from bands looking for a bassist for a 'rock' band. To some people 'rock' means 'Iron Maiden', to others it means 'U2' and 'Travis'.[/quote] Yep I agree it's like the term Jazz, Rock is just as huge a genre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dood Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 [quote name='Jase' post='161948' date='Mar 22 2008, 08:04 PM']So no sounds on the site yet dood? Looking forward to hearing some new prog stuff [/quote] Not just yet ma man! ;o) We are in the midst of writing material at the moment. We have a few demos, but we keep improving bits, so they are never [i]quite[/i] ready! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Ahh, good stuff, Righto! I'll keep me ears peeled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahpook Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 [quote name='Faithless' post='161815' date='Mar 22 2008, 03:28 PM']Aren't we interested in what John Myung is doing...[/quote] washing his hair i'd imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithless Posted March 22, 2008 Author Share Posted March 22, 2008 (edited) Oh, man, I've just realised I've forgotten to mention a word [i]Progressive[/i]. In this way, the main thing is, I'm interested in Prog music. You know, Dlloyd, I've used to listen to all those 'rock bands ( and, truly, listening sometimes now ), but when I 'entered' that area of prog-rock/metal music... When I looked to for eg. Mr. Myung or Dood at what they're doin', how they're jerkin' that bass and realised how Much you can do with that thing.. I can proudly say, that this is IT, man, what keeps me inspiring on listening and playing that 'prog-rock-bass'! [quote name='queenofthedepths' post='161822' date='Mar 22 2008, 05:47 PM']Well, personally I think obZen's very good too, but yeah, can't beat Nothing... Is this a very subtle "GOD I HATE JAZZ!!!" thread? I like metal and jazz, but metal is music to listen to whilst jazz is music to talk about![/quote] You know, ObZen's complex thing, Nothing's too, but, what I feel about their newest material... Despite the fact they are 'back' to their roots ( I mean 4/4), due to the fact they're [i]very[/i] serious about what they're doing, sometimes people 'over-do' things, you know.. I mean, there is some great complex stuff out there in Meshuggah's and other bands' lists, but, for me, ObZen is umm.. Waaaay out of the way, i would say... To compare with other genres, it's like listening to some crazy jazzy stuff, but it's not just about 'not understanding where's the beginning and where's the ending', it's more about listening and 'getting' the effect like 'playing one song through Winamp, and the other through Youtube at the same time... And what do you get there, eh? But it's not really about thread 'Hatting jazz', mate I don't have much against it. [quote name='queenofthedepths' post='161822' date='Mar 22 2008, 05:47 PM']The thing about bass and metal is that typically, if a bassist does anything other than play root notes or just copying the rhythm guitar, it's seen as not metal, or at least incorporating other styles, so when we talk about fretless bass players, we're including Steve DiGiorgio and Chapman sticks and ERBs are gonna relate to John Myung or whatever but nobody's really interested in what Dick Lövgren plays because it's exactly the same as the guitar... right?[/quote] I can't dig why chaps think that the [i]bass[/i] is covering rhythm guitar.. Take a Look from a different angle When I play with rhythm-git player, it is [i]he[/i], who covers me Don't be quelled by those gu*tarists, folks Edited March 22, 2008 by Faithless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Prog is back! Prog is the way...prog pop is the next big thing with crazy muso bass players! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahpook Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 [quote name='dlloyd' post='161980' date='Mar 22 2008, 09:35 PM']Prog's never gone. It got a bit embarrassed of the guitar solo and relabelled itself as post-rock/math-rock, but that'll pass...[/quote] hmmm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahpook Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 [quote name='dlloyd' post='161983' date='Mar 22 2008, 09:48 PM']Fashion.[/quote] no, i thought it was more... "oooooh...fashion" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Funk Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 You can't just change the title of the thread on us. Makes all our comments look daft now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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