Lord Sausage

[quote name='51m0n' timestamp='1424877889' post='2701484'] Sure, when you record to tape you set the recording level, just like in digital recording. The difference is that whereas with digital you have a hard and absolute maximum level (0dBFs) which you cannot capture anything louder than at all (you just clip the input which sounds like arse) tape is truly analogue. As you raise the level on tape the peaks will encroach into an area above that which the tape can reproduce accurately, that is the maximum clean headroom of the medium. Instead of just crapping out at this point though you can keep pushing a bit more and rather tan sounding like arse the tape will saturate, there will be some distortion and a compression effect that sounds very very cool on a lot of sources, drums recorded hard onto tape is about as clasic a rock sound as you can imagine, but everyone in all pop genres used this technique. There wasn't a compressor for every channel in and some more for groups, and yet more for the 2 buss back in the day, but everything went to tape and you could use that to help you out both when tracking and when mixing down to 2 track, in both cases pushing the tape a little (effectively recording too hot for the cleanest reproduction) sounded better than clean did, more exciting, fatter with more impact and punch. Recording digitally you can not replicate this except with fx, unless you literally run your capture to tape and then run it back into your DAW (and yes there are studios that will do this for you if you send them your project file and wavs, its not cheap though because they'll be using big 2" 24 track machines and they cost a lot to maintain, not to mention the tape cost). If you want to get close there are several tape saturation plugins out there to play with, none of them is exactly like any specific brand of tape on any specific machine, but many of them can still give a reasonable facsimile. You can also roll your own if you want by chaining good saturation and compression plugins with the right settings, but its still not ever quite as nice as that fat tape sound (the grass was always greener over yonder blah blah). Of course tape has a tonne of issues that make it less good than digital (crosstalk, wow, flutter, head wear, tape wear, frequency response, dynamic range, sheer cost) but that sound of a great kit being pushed hard into tape is glorious [/quote] A couple of friends and I used to do this a lot a college in the mid to late 90's. We we were bang in to heavy rock at the time. We'd also have super gain gtrs then do it. We got some good results. Then the college got EU grants and built some digital studios and kept one 16 track analogue tape studio. The newer studios had great rooms, booths and equipment. We used to plead to let us take the tape machine out of the 16 and put it into the digi'd and do what you mentioned but they never would let us. Bloody Facists! Well that's what we called em at 18 everyone was a facist. we were all like Rik in the young ones haha

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1425682207' post='2709816'] Hey Nige....... Snap, I'm just listening to this. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuhHU_BZXSk[/media] So good. [/quote] [quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1425682605' post='2709821'] Ahh, I'm listening to them live at Java Jazz 2014. Damn hot sh*t! Will check your vid inna min. EDIT: [/quote] Got to admit i love this tune and i quite like snarky puppy. However, it sounds like 70's fusion just bigger. It also sounds like Korg synth demos. However, i still really like it. Great musicianship. Frightening!

After I come across something I usually lose interest!

For me i know how good a drummer is from how well they play a basic beat and how the kit swishes if that makes sense. probably doesn't but it does to me.

[quote name='Marvin' timestamp='1425233751' post='2705384'] My band are on the look out for a new singer. A particularly bad practice. Our guitarist was incandescent...which is odd as he's never been that bright before . Being serious, our singer is just not pulling her weight and isn't really up to standard. I always find tracking down a good singer really difficult, more difficult than drummers to be honest. Perhaps I'm a tad lucky but I know of two drummers who I could have asked if ours had left. However, singers are a nightmare in my experience. [/quote]Luckily we have two. the lead guitarist is also a great lead vocalist but is happy just playing guitar and doing bv's. But ready made dep in the band. Zero ego! Anomaly, I know! Lead guitar and vox, no ego, no prima donna.................well the other singer makes up for it! Worth it for the voice and stagecraft though! She's a good girl really but a diva too!

Jackson's are the definitive metal guitar for me ( can't believe i just said that, whats the best for metal ha ha). That may have to do with growing up in the 90's. Loved Megadeth!

I've always like this, soem say it's george on bass tho. Sounds like macca to me! http://youtu.be/-x0FUZgbtHc

Wasn't this a film starring Hugh Grant?

Isn't the bass piece of piss for beat it! Isn't it just the riff then plunking! I'm gonna have a listen now!

I could but I live in Atherton near leigh, its a bit of a way! But you can if you want.

Well think i have know!

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1425025865' post='2702972'] Pray it's not a Spinal Tap situation... [/quote]I used to be in a band that was tap esque but with bassists. We had a new one every one to two gigs,

It's a town between Wigan, Bolton and Manchester

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1424990364' post='2702810'] Brilliant. So this thread was Kismet, or Karma, or Coincidence, or some such crap! I hope he's a fantastic drummer and it all works out for you. [/quote] Cheers, Me too! But there is a bit of me prepared for something weird to happen like him getting abducted by aliens on his way to practice or something like that!

Anyone know where i can get a transcription of the bass part for this song from. Thanks (apologies if in wrong forum)

well you wait ages for a drummer then two come along at once. Two replied to an old add from ages ago that I'd forgot about and one is someone i went to music college with in the 90's who was incredible back then. Haven't seen him for 15 yrs but am proper excited as he is class and a top guy.

[quote name='FlatEric' timestamp='1424853120' post='2701078'] Oooooo! This really caught my eye!! We thought it would be quite easy to find a new drummer, after many years with the previous one. How wrong could we be!! Eight months, 5 deps and way too many auditions! I really wouldn't want to got throuhg that all over again! We are very kind and thoughtful to out new drummer - help him with his kit, put him on a pedestal - well the last one's not true but almost. In truth - it was a nightmare. From what we found - there are a LOT of people out there who call themselves "a drummer" and say they can play drums - in reallity. . . . . . . . there are very few! Anyone currently going through this process, has my sympathy! Good luck. [/quote]That is exactly what we're going through. The rhythm guitarist is currently playing drums so we can learn tunes but he admits he's not at the required standard, though he probably will be by the time we find one.

[quote name='Marvin' timestamp='1424803062' post='2700659'] Good drummers are hard to find, as are people who actually want to do the necessary home work to be in a band. Plenty like the idea of being in a band but few seem to want to actually put in the time. [/quote]That's what's frustrating is that we have the people who wanna put the time in!

I wonder what musicians sounded like before compressors and limiters etc were invented. How did they get by with all those peaks and troughs. You can imagine audiences at gigs saying "well i'm not enjoying this, there isn't enough fatness to that bass", or "can you believe his upstrokes are slightly louder than his downstrokes". Or even "i came to really enjoy the vibe and the music but all i'm bothered about is what the bass player is or isn't doing with his tone". "I wish this pesky human ear was better equipped to notice audible volumes" I think sometimes we think to much! Never used one by the way, live. I do when mixing songs

I'd show up, depending on date etc. Surely a weekend would be best!

Seems a nice chap. Never been a massive rush fan like a few of their tunes tho. Anyone else like twang!

[quote name='Jakester' timestamp='1424726610' post='2699806'] If you're Bath/Bristol way, happy to audition, but I have loads of work and I'm not as good as I say I am [/quote] Northern Monkey I'm afraid!

[quote name='Jakester' timestamp='1424724007' post='2699736'] I"m a drummer first (boo!) and a bassist second. I'm a pretty experienced drummer (hiss!) and a terrible bass player - I've done lots of function bands etc, and had the pleasure of auditioning countless times for innumerable projects that never made it past the rehearsal room. A lot older and a bit wiser, I think a lot of time it comes down to mismatched expectations. For example, I find a lot of bands auditioning for drummers are looking to replace someone, and so when you turn up you're immediately at a disadvantage because you don't play like their previous guy. A classic is "Bob/Jim/Dave didn't play it like that, he played it different. Why can't you do that?" without ever explaining what Bob/Jim/Dave played! Another mismatch is in expectations for how close to the record you want the tunes played. I take the view unless told that it has to exact (for, for example a tribute band), then a reasonable approximation (i.e. the same groove, the same main fills but perhaps not every single ghost note or flam) will suffice, but then I've often had people say "that's not how it is on the record!". To which I've replied "yes, and neither are the mariarchi horns and bassoon solo you've put in, but you don't complain about that!" More seriously, people are happy to pick up the drummer for omissions but will themselves skip a tricky melodic part or solo. Everyone expects the drummer to just play like the record, without sometimes realising that the rest of the musicians aren't doing that. Finally, I often get told what I'm playing doesn't sound like it does on the record. It's taken me a while, but I've finally realised what people are getting at - they take the whole drums and percussion track as 'the drums' and when you're not playing the drum part, tambourine 16ths and conga part all together they get the hump, not to mention your drums sounding different live to a close miked, gated and compressed studio kit... OP, not saying for one second this is the problem you're facing, but from behind the kit the experiences can be just as frustrating! [/quote]do you want a job!? ha ha! I'm the same groove kind of guy. Play the important bits, recognisable bits. For all instruments. Don't miss the tricky bits. I totally know what your saying. I never look to replace the old guy with someone the same. I just like replacing good for good.

I'm trying to get a wedding/function band up and running. I know some great drummers however, this means they all have loads of work. Everyone we audition is always nowhere near as good as they say they are, loads of crap. It's doing my nut in. This is the hardest time i've ever had trying to get a band of the ground. That is all, as you were!

Is this still open? I'm not interested but I know a singer in Leigh who loves grunge. Not saying he would be interested but could ask