Lord Sausage

Me neither!

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1440755650' post='2853502'] That's the secret of good playing though. Knowing/hearing/understanding what will be masked and what won't. He's probably playing them 'live' with the rest of the band in the studio. Then dropping in to correct any mistakes later. At least that's the way we use to record in the 80s. It was all on 8 track DAT in those days. So for 24 tracks you had 3 machines sync'ed together. [/quote]I'd say that's the secret of good production and mixing. The secret of good playing is to play good, then you don't need things to be masked. I fully understand the playing with a band and getting a good overall feel and a few things will be pushed and pulled, but that was just sloppy. Check this, here's JPJ. It's with the band there is the odd push/pull but not sloppy. Good playing! [url="https://youtu.be/3ANwQW8aspI"]http://youtu.be/3ANwQW8aspI[/url]

[quote name='interpol52' timestamp='1440750923' post='2853454'] The trouble with hearing the bass in isolation is that it can sometimes (not always) shatter the illusion. The bigger picture of hearing everything together is where the magic is, so if I hear an isolated bass track, 9 times out of 10 I am disappointed. What I am hearing are notes that are before, on or behind the beat but with no beat to give it any context/foundation. That sounds sloppy sometimes because it is on its own. I grew up listening to Iron maiden and Live after Death was the reason i picked up the bass. I must have watched the video once a day for months on end. Genghis Khan is one that I have always struggled with, Caught Somewhere in Time and The Evil That Men Do are real tests of endurance too. [/quote] I understand all that, but in this case it's nearly all the time. The band would have to be all the place for it to be in context. It's just sloppy.

[quote name='BassTractor' timestamp='1440757357' post='2853523'] Bah! This was a perfectly nice little thread until you had to come in with your facts and science and stuff like that. [/quote]

Who's Paul Turner?

There are a few isolated bass tracks on YouTube. If you listen, you will here how sloppy he is! Poor. If they are him? Which I think they are! http://youtu.be/23YO8ijT4Ao http://youtu.be/qSYuse9o8KI

I think all forms of music are sh*t!

Answer.....because it is!

[quote name='rjs1909' timestamp='1440242802' post='2849294'] This is excellent though [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alhbjjD_4-4"]https://www.youtube....h?v=alhbjjD_4-4[/url] [/quote] [quote name='miles'tone' timestamp='1440244650' post='2849309'] That is absolutely feckin' fantastic!! [/quote] [quote name='Vinny' timestamp='1440246465' post='2849323'] Hell's teeth! To think I've spent the last couple of years trying to work on not staring intently at my left hand the whole time I'm playing (and its worked, I now only stare at it about 90% of the time), they're playing other people's instruments as well! I can't even look at the time while walking without stopping, so after watching that I'm feeling a tad stoopid. Bloody brilliant vid!!! [/quote] Right if that's excellent (which I'm not disputing) why is this classed as cheese and not excellent! (playing each others instruments oo-er) http://youtu.be/j_7iRZzlSzI

[quote name='miles'tone' timestamp='1440178321' post='2848928'] Erm, they're miming, not playing live though y'know. Very good track though. [/quote] Get out! Ya joking!.....well i never! i was wondering how they made that cello sound like a double bass near the end, and how i could hear that shaker despite no mics! You'll be telling me that they mime in music video's next!

.....then i really liked it http://youtu.be/nFPwExBBHVI

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1440018266' post='2847694'] Trouble is...you can't decide..you have to be endorsed, as it were. Which is why it depends who is saying it. [/quote] depends on the size of your.............................. self confidence

[quote name='JoeEvans' timestamp='1439919500' post='2846802'] Someone once said to me that they hadn't really noticed my playing until I stopped for a bar or two, and then the arse fell out of the whole tune. I couldn't have asked for more, really. [/quote] So you were happy that the arse fell out of the whole tune? And it only took two bars of non playing to do that, for my band i would have been gutted!

[quote name='The Badderer' timestamp='1439926412' post='2846867'] To clarify Lord Sausage, where I used the term flashy in my description, it is not saying that a bass player can't be the main focal point of the band, or the one playing the most interesting complex flashy (in a good way) licks. I'm not saying a bass player should be the boring person who stands at the back playing roots (or 3rds if feeling adventurous). What I am saying is that if a bass player spends his time just wanting to show off flashy (or pick another adjective) skills, to the detriment of the band or the music they're playing, then they really need to be asking themselves 'am I doing my band / the music justice'. If you can play all the licks and still keep the feel of the music then more power to you. It's great seeing it being more and more commonplace for bass players to be stepping forward. My point was merely, better to be solid than someone playing flashy licks who can't get through a set without screwing up because they haven't got the basics sorted. If you can be solid and dependable and get through a set without any screw ups, then go ahead and be flashy and solid at the same time. Even better! But just being flashy, yet unable to remember when you transition into a chorus / bridge / middle 8 or what order the chords are in, is the wrong way round and wrong priorities for any musician, but especially a bass player. [/quote] Yea but if you are being flashy and screwing up, then you aren't being flashy you are being sh*t!

I detest the word 'flashy' being used as some kind of negative. I hate that a bass player just has to be solid. I can't stand the phrase less is more like it's is an imperative and if you don't play like this you are a twat Music can be so many things. Many genres, styles etc Sometimes the bass doesn't just have to support the rhythm. Sometimes you support the melody, harmony be the counterpoint. Sometime you have to be solid, occasionally flashy. Sometimes less is more, sometimes more is more. Sometimes it's goldilocks and just right. Music is more than one thing. is it a compliment?.. i don't know. It's not a negative? Others opinions of my playing, positive or negative don't really register!

[quote name='Cameronj279' timestamp='1439830754' post='2846097'] So following on from the recent 'glad I'm not sensitive' thread I've noticed a recurring theme where so many people seem to be in bands where other members cannot take constructive criticism or don't appreciate the role of every band member. I guess I'm lucky that in the band I'm in we've all agreed to be 100% honest when it comes to any issues we may have (generally when writing new songs) and we all take and give criticism with no hard feelings. I suppose none of us having an ego is a big help with that. My main question is just why do people stay in bands with people who don't seem to be worth the time and effort? [/quote] Because i plan to kill them off one at a time over a couple of years!

[quote name='Subbeh' timestamp='1439756847' post='2845568'] Yeah that probably was a bit toolish of me but telling kids to practice getting stoned and drunk to help with their playing is a best pretty dubious! [/quote] Ha ha, totally dubious! As if you'd say that to 18 yr olds! Madness. I wouldn't do it!

[quote name='Lozz196' timestamp='1439758919' post='2845598'] Indeed he is. Can`t go wrong with The Duffster! [/quote] [quote name='Stance' timestamp='1439759761' post='2845605'] Thumbs up for the "King of beers"! [/quote] He's the reason i started playing. I heard the intro to Right next door to hell and thought "what the f*** is that! I wanna do that!" So did!

[quote name='Lozz196' timestamp='1439747487' post='2845451'] That`s my fave track/album of theirs too. [/quote] Isn't Duff one of your favourite players or influence too? (IIRC) Great minds and all that!

[quote name='Subbeh' timestamp='1439752026' post='2845499'] Hopefully most music colleges can do better for their students than burned out old potheads giving piss poor advice. The bit in bold is one of the single most ludicrous things I've ever read . For us it's generally a three hour rehearsal but it's a startup and were trying to put a solid set together as well as getting used to playing with one another. I practice anywhere from an hour to three a day depending on how much time I can spare. Learning new stuff, polishing stuff I already know and playing just for the fun of it. [/quote] Ha ha. I've played the Hackney Empire doing a show where the guitarist was on coke, drinking vodka and tonic from a mineral water bottle. He was excellent. All over it. The stories he told me about pro musos on pro tours make a pint and a spliff look tee total. The guy who gave me the piss poor advice was a genius. Dead now suprisingly. He taught me proper composition and arrangement for jazz big bands. Writing and arranging and scoring for all the instruments. He taught us the Berklee college music theory course. I went on to get a degree in music from York from what i learned of that burned out pothead. I learned next to f*** all a uni!

If you can't have a drink n smoke and still play then you need to practice more. I don't mean getting proper wasted but nicely buzzed. One maybe two beers n a doob. No doob on gig day tho. Though you do need control to keep it at that level. I don't always do it but when do I don't play worse. If anything I play better. I understand if people are getting twatted then it is a problem. When I was at music college a lecturer who was a pro muso and had been for 40 odd yrs, played on the strip in Hamburg same time as the Beatles and all said to me and others. "Go home have a smoke and a beer and practice your ass off. There will come times when you have to gig in that state. Better be ready." Best homework ever. We all did.

[quote name='Stance' timestamp='1439740196' post='2845376'] I see you´re a die-hard fan I bought their first CD and after Bernard left, I lost hope on the band.. Still, their 1st album is a MUST - nice songs, melodies and basslines! [/quote]i think the album after Bernard left with "trash" on was pretty good. I think trash is probably their best tune

[quote name='Spoombung' timestamp='1438860253' post='2838098'] I wish more bassists thought of the bass guitar as a guitar with less strings. We'd get better bass lines. [/quote] Or maybe not let the instrument define what you play and think in a totally musical and theoretical way!

[quote name='super al' timestamp='1438539787' post='2835319'] I think this relates to The Funk's 1st post, every time I hear the intro to 'son of a preacher man' I start singing 'hits from the bong' by cypress hill! Its a terrible thing to say but its the only time I'm disappointed to hear Dusty Springfield sing! [/quote] If anything just cos you done get the immortal line of" there's water inside don't spill it. Smells like sh*t on the carpet"

Two bottles of carling cherry cider every practice. Always feel fine!