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[quote name='Annoying Twit' timestamp='1392971385' post='2374704'] The rest are around 4mm at the 12th fret). [/quote] are you limbo dancing under them when not playing;)

And Fender still aren't too market savvy....or we have surf green options on everything:)!

Leo designed it for convenience of use and increased volume hence smaller than the doghouse and easier to play hence tbe frets and amplified to satisfy band leaders etc....wasn't it? I suppose with a design brief like that fretless wouldn't get a look in? I do miss my old VMJF....

[quote name='tinyd' timestamp='1392801555' post='2372814'] As far as I know, the term is an old one that comes from the world of violin, cello, double bass etc. Instead of 'fretting' a note, you 'stop' the string on a given note, which kind of makes sense on a fretless instrument. [/quote] interesting

[quote name='Annoying Twit' timestamp='1392808639' post='2372910'] There seem to be a number of basses that are considered 'a lot of bass for the money'. E.g. we have threads on J&D and Harley Benton new basses. There are the Westone, Bass Collection, and other Japanese made basses. People mention American made Peavey's (not so much the T40 as those go for higher prices, but other models) as being little known classics and undervalued. We've had discussions of Westfield basses being a lot of bass for the money, and available for peanuts second hand. There are good value for money Yamaha brands, I've seen the Ibanez SR300 described as a lot of bass for the money. The Classic Vibe/Vintage Modified Squiers are also often described as a real bargain for what you get. I've seen the Aria STB bass range (basic P and J basses) described as a bargain, and they sometimes go for extremely low sums on ebay. Vintage (the brand) also, but I'm not sure which are the really good models, and which aren't so good. What other bass brands/models are a huge bargain for the money that you pay for them? Either new models or second hand. [/quote] I think you nailed that list very well.

[quote name='Lw.' timestamp='1392816694' post='2373025'] I'm not sure the J&D or Harley Benton basses can really apply to this category as in reality you're not actually getting very much bass - the simple Fender style copies (and most proper Fenders) are as stripped back as a bass can be. I'm not being down on these brands, they look pretty good when you consider they only cost £100 but they're not exactly brimming with features & have a couple of tell-tail signs that indicate their price point. Some of the mid to high end Ibanez basses can really be called a lot of bass for the money (in my opinion) - exotic woods, neck-through, active - Ibanez are churning these out at half the price some of the other big name brands are doing. Second hand there are almost too many to name, some real bargains out there - almost any brand that has no association to Leo Fender seems be be having a dip in second hand value at the moment (you can see it when watching the classifieds on here) - if I weren't being strict on myself I could buy 3 or 4 incredible basses for 6/700 each on here that would cover every possible playing requirement. [/quote] interesting points raised, but I'm puzzled what 'features' a J&D or Harley Benton Jazz is missing from say Fender Mexican Std or even US jazz? cheers

Mr [b] ___---___ bought my Squier Classic Vibe, easy smooooooth deal just how it should be and good coms, [/b] [b] A1 basschatter [/b] [b] thanks and enjoy [/b]

[quote name='lojo' timestamp='1392793265' post='2372711'] With a second hand market that allows you to effectively rent basses , I've still got a fair few models id like to try [/quote] great analogy!

Just a heads up. Heard a great programne on radio 4 yesterday morning around 11:30 am.....regarding the 12 bar 1-4-5 blues. well worth a listern....on bbc iplayer now.

Whoops 2x post

[quote name='jezzaboy' timestamp='1392581995' post='2370365'] I will take the opperchancity to mention once again, the Yamaha TRBX 304. Nice slim neck, 2 band eq and 5 position selector switch, £260 ish, great Yamaha build quality. http://youtu.be/sFUP4zJ6l3I [/quote] there is also a TRBX174 for a cheaper, passive P/J option.

Actually i think: Vmj 70's maple body vmj 77 agathis body vmj 'std' basswood older ones have duncan designed pups...later ones have fender designed. i'm sure they are all fine bass's though!

Sunburst vmj has the basswood body....usually lighter than the maple bodied versions fender/squier website is worth a visit.

Thanks, hmm double and triple stops....why not simply say a chord? "I just threw a double stop in" does sound sexier though!

Is a double stop simply two notes played together...possibly outlining a chord....say a root and 5th or root and 3rd. Just been reading something about mark adams (slave) and his 'amazing' double stops....the start of stone jam has the bass playing 2 notes together? Cheers and thanks for any help

[quote name='JuliusGroove' timestamp='1392629881' post='2370697'] The Slide at the beginning of Ladies Night.. OOOF! [/quote] good one, nice bit of Steinberger too! http://youtu.be/GCFDo1I0QIM

I thought that mass wedding brawl in Bradford was caused by a stale pork pie...now i know it was a sour note? A Pukka scrap...

I found my J&D neck to be jazz width but deeper than a fender/squier jazz neck....would that apply to your Hog? Looks the dogs Tom....good news about the fret edges too!

[quote name='wishface' timestamp='1392652160' post='2371079'] I've decided against this guitar. I've tried a couple now and in the final analysis, the neck is too wide for me. On both guitars there have been a couple of dead spots on the G string. It might be dbest to save up and get something even better. [/quote] the necks on the vmjf are jazz width and quite shallow....if you need even thinner you may want to look for a geddy lee but i dont know if fretless are available?

How do the neck dimensions compare to the J&D Tom?

[quote name='Bloodaxe' timestamp='1392625425' post='2370640'] The vibrating string disrupts the magnetic field of the pickup, & this disruption induces a current into the coil of the pickup that is of the same frequency (or frequencies) as that produced by the string. The amplitude (height/volume) is determined by how strongly the string is vibrating. This induced signal is sent to the amp which makes it all biggerer. The amount of bigness is normally limited by the guitarist complaining that he can hear the bass. Different pickups have different tonalities. Put very simply, this is because of Physics. Put slightly less simply, it's down to differences in design/manufacture (magnet strength, number of turns, wire thickness) which affect how much of the string's frequencies get sent down the line - sort of like a preset EQ. Put more complicatedly... A straight bit of wire has a fixed resistance over its length no matter what signal you put through it - DC, AC, doesn't matter. However a [i]coil[/i] of wire has a resistance that varies according to what frequency is passing through it. Add in the capacitance caused by the insulation on the wire, and the fact that some pickups are wound in a rather random pattern & you end up with a quite complex frequency-dependant resistor. As a result none of them will truly reproduce all the frequencies that the string is generating. That's why some pickups have a mid-hump, some sound like a bucket of mud & some are fairly well balanced. P. [/quote] brilliant, excellent explanation, cheers erm, err, so this body wood influence on the tone thing that many feel they can hear, I can't understand how it can influence the frequency of the AC current derived by a magnetic field, but want to understand. ...could it simply be because given two pieces of different woods, the string is oscillating differently due to how solidly the bridge and neck is nailed on to the body wood...stiffer or slacker? I mean there are no moving parts in the pup per se, the only part that can shift about is the string and its only tethered at two ends, the neck being the weakest part, its easy to bend the neck...maybe the security of the neck is more important to the tone? it all hurts too much now... I'm off for a MOT, thanks for the above though .....I can feel breathing down my neck, a can of worms picture & popcorn smiley coming along soon

Yes....i wondered who spot that first...well done jones. great thread and interesting diagnosis.

[quote name='redstriper' timestamp='1392565998' post='2370070'] I'm finding it hard to resist purchasing one of these bad boys - I play reggae and I need a deep, smooth tone using heavy gauge flatwounds. just 2 questions to any owners out there: 1) What do they weigh? 2) How is the tone from the neck pick up soloed with the tone rolled off? [/quote] mine was quite light for a jazz, tone was fine, a little bright maybe...for for reggae you may wish to fit a 'bigger' cap, say a .1uf?

[quote name='mcnach' timestamp='1392297810' post='2366910'] Heretic!!! I'm going to start a J&D forum myself, just so that I can ban you from it. [/quote] I know I feel terrible about all this