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Let me get this ..?? you humped the P.A around for them, loaded in and out and they didn't help out with any of that..?? You must have the patience of a saint. I'd say that was worth.... at least... another share of the fee per gig. And even then, you can expect help with the carry and set-up. So, for a 4 piece band doing £250, you get £100 per gig. that sort of thing.

I think some 'promoters want a bill and their entourage to stay the duration and it is ALL about numbers or perceived numbers. It doesn't matter who puts the money behind the bar as long as there are people that do do so... They would have as many bands on the bill as would fit... as it cuts down the amount of people they have to attract by other means. These sort of 'gigs' are a crock... IMO.

It is all about the bill, IMO... The best venues around here have quite a strict policy of who they have play... and they also happen to pay quite low, funniliy enough, but because they are a garuanteed draw as a venue..and the standard is known and accepted they do well whoever is on... but getting in there is the KEY.

funny advert... but maybe someone wants to pay it

FWIW, I'd trade my Berg AE112''s for DB112's IF all else matched up. Friend of mine uses 2xEBS112's and say they are old school sound...more so that his Ampeg 410.

[quote name='4 Strings' timestamp='1355330188' post='1897045'] To be fair, I nearly sent my cabs back, 'twasn't until I did the sine wave thing and used them for a month or so did I become satisfied. If you now say 'I have become used to them' etc then we're back to post 20 something. [/quote] sure.. I think you also have to 'get' how they work and that can take a bit of time but the promise needs to be there from the off... Myself, I wouldn't judge that harshly a cab on the first outing...I'd put it down to needing to work on it... but the fundementals have to be there.

For me it is a fine balance between playing the numbers we like...as opposed to hate, and even then, there are a few chummy ones in the set but the likes of Mustang Sally come out when the money is there, but we don't play any longer than 2hrs tops... and we don't include songs or versions that we can't live with. We do do a pretty decent version of that song tho.... The drummer hates most of the songs we do but he is more of a rocker, whereas we just pick songs. Thaqt is his problem and I suspect he stays with us as we are his best band, get the better gigs, by and large, and decent money...but that is his issue/problem. The playing is a big thing with the band and we have more than a few gears, IMO...but we are finding that pub type dates get the more average delivery, whereas we pull out the stops for the special shows...which also happen to pay more..are on decent stages and are just much better gigs all round. We do have plans for an original set but there is no way we are going to put that out for no fee or multi band gigs to zero people. I guess I am getting round to saying we are too old for that

Well, I don't do functions as such, so people book us for what we do..or not, as it happens. If you are happy playing for a few people then fine...but I thought this thread was about playing to no-one... and my position there would be ...f*** that..!!

yep... beats me how anyone thinks Flea sounds good !!!

No problem in choosing which gigs you do...as I say, it depends what drives you to do them... Just that you have to put the work in and get them. But if you think you are in the greatest band you'll ever be in and no will book you, then that ought to make you think about what it takes to actually get gigs. I am all for backing yourself and playing what YOU want to play... I didn't know or like waaayy more than half the stuff I played in those function bands but it taught me a lot...but by the same token no one owes you a gig. You have to make it work. I don't really have a lot of time for bands that can't get gigs...as I think there is usually a lot more than that behind it. Getting gigs if your product is good is easily achievable, IMO. Down here, it couldn't be much easier and if I had my way most of the bands wouldn't get gigs... ever There are way too many venues

I don't know why people are putting such great store on input from various people. If they make cabs..then you either like the sound of it..and the look of it or you don't.. Otherwise, you are just buying whatever spiel they want to come out with. And if you can't equate thosed stats or spec with what you hear, then that is a pretty dumb way of buying things as far as I can see.... But there you go

sure...it is all about the money... but you have to buy into the product as being worth it. Nothing is free these days.

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1355317703' post='1896803'] And how do you know that's going to happen, how are a bunch of youngsters going to get experience of playing live, how many massive bands had to do these gigs before they got to be in your position where you have this guaranteed crowd? [/quote] I never take a crowd for granted but we do our homework. We've done the usual London circuit which was on these sames lines....hasn't everyone..?? But any mistakes we make..we don't tend to make again. 1 gig of this ilk is kind of forgiveable but you should get the message about what works for you and what doesn't. This is also why I like money to be a factor in these gigs... it SHOULD focus the minds on what needs to be done. We have this 'bunch of youngsters experience thing' all the time and, tbh, they will have to get their arse in gear as does everyone else. That allpies to any band as well, as far as I am concerned... For me, I was working function circuits at 16 or 17 and it was a great learning curve. I have the most time for kids who will promote their own shows and also come along and support others.. Depends on your emphasis, but you can either do the gigs that get you out to play... or you can do the gigs that you wnat to do, but you have to work it. There are gigs out there, you just have to get them...but it all comes down to whether people will buy what you are selling and there are no garauntees in that...

I think you can be a designer with a grasp of the science behind it...or whatever else, but that same guy can still have cloth ears. There is no messing with what god gave you in that regard...and then there is perception of what is a good tone anyway... Being able to quote chapter and verse is one thing..and it helps impress some people on forums like this-hell, if you say the same thing long and loud enough, you'll probably get those same people to pipe up and re-enforce this view time and again... and maybe chapter and verse is a good thing, in a way, or maybe not..but sound is very much subjective so those 'rules' don't always provide the difintive answer. If any cab maker was to tell me what I am hearing.. they could have the short answer back...but surely no one is that arrogant, are they...

Don't see the point of unbalancing the cabs by stacking vertical. You will get the usual guff as to why you should, but the TC thing is taking it to a limit... I can just see that lot crashing down quite easily... and tbh, I'd say you'd deserve it.. If you really can't hear your rig..then I'd look at the reasons why from an EQ/sound POV. I don't swallow the off axis issue for lower frequencies either, but to deal with the whole thing from my standpoint, I don't need to do it..plus it looks as silly as f***

I have a guy in Kent that makes his own units... mainly they are gtr valve OD units. He has a design background in reknown effect units..and retains the patents. He services my amps and a load of locals stuff, and he is always telling me what so and so manufacturer skimped on this and that. Maybe that is banter as well, but he knows his stuff, IMO.

Guess it depends what you come here for.... and what the site hopes to achieve in the future. If you value the 'community' then you might want to put that first.. if you need to get revenue...for whatever reason... then you might want or need to sacrifice the community to a degree. Whether that will get people to stay is the 'trick'... FWIW, I don't got to TB much these days.. I find the format very clumsy and not really enticing, and that is before you get to the content so if that is your model...????? One thing to consider ...IMO... is that a forum/chat site is only as good as the contributors it can attract and retain.

[quote name='Evil Undead' timestamp='1355230463' post='1895603'] I'm going to watch this with interest I really would like to replace my 212 with a 112. [/quote] Just the one..??? I'd be adding another as soon as. The benefit being you get the same sound but easier to carry.

Looks great. If you want the valve thing in a lighter..altho not by much, , the DB750 is great for that. I think it does the whole Ampeg thing better... looks great, sounds awesome, doesn't have the valve cost and as I said, is lighter. You need a big stage though as these things have 'power' as opposed to volume. So, the Fender for the small stage/gig and the DB when you have to get out the beans... Totally agree about the weight thing...

The term seems to be blurred these days. Many a booker/events organiser ..call them what you want, simply take the fee from the venue to fill up a slow night. It doesn't much matter what constitutes the 'crowd' as long as they have numbers in the bar that they wouldn't have anyway. If the 'acts' bring a few more alomg the way, then that is a bonus. A twist on this very old theme, is 'agents' nights where they will advertise for auditions ..and therefore the acts will be free and these nights all add up to numbers inthe bar. Whether these agents actually get gigs elsewhere for these acts or whether the venue books them theirselves doesn't really matter as long as the gravy lasts... A good and straight booker would perpetuate and build on this work by gettings a rosta of acts to book out, but you'd have to follow them a while to see what their plan is.. But sooner or later we come back to the age old issue of value .... and who gets it..because somebody will... or that is the plan. IT seems to me that the promoter in the OP must have some sort of working model or else he wouldn't survive..?? So I'd put that one down to the fact that some 'relationships' don't work and you move n..

The gigs sound soul-destroying to me... If you don't play to a crowd, I don't see the point, so this sounds like the death-knell of a band .

Don't really bother with the new classifieds,tbh... but then I am not on the hunt for anything either. That didn't always stop me using/checking-out the old FS section, tho..

Don't really bother with the new classifieds,tbh... but then I am not on the hunt for anything either. That didn't always stop me using/checking-out the old FS section, tho.. will copy this over to the other thread..

I like it if the stage nice and it means all the work is done.. That is the beauty of hired-in kit... all you have to do is sort your own stuff. But sometimes the rider is a double egded sword with time on your hands