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[quote name='hamfist' timestamp='1364982064' post='2033509'] I'm surprised to hear that. It's not what my ears are telling me. The stated parametric range of the treble control is claimed to go up to 6.3KHz, which would be very odd if there were a 5KHz low pass filter. I'd be interested to read about this if you knew of a link ? Although the whole fact that I own cabs without tweeters tells you that I am not a fan of bright, clear high end anyway. [/quote] [url="http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f15/tc-electronic-rh450-fixed-lowpass-filter-899716/"]Here you go...[/url] I don't like clear highs either, so it didn't really affect me.

Hi Hamfist I did read that part of your post. I should have said 'to be clear..'. Apologies. The RH450 does have a hard-wired lo-pass filter (5kHz, I think?) which to all intents and purposes is an artificial cut in the high end. The RH750 addresses this with the tweetertone control. I used mine with Berg HS210s which have very detailed mids. and for a spell with a Barefaced Compact. Tonally blah, and seriously lacking authority. It's a Marmite head, I think.

[quote name='jjl5590' timestamp='1364939576' post='2033181'] Hey guys, I'm currently using a Genz Benz STL 9.0, and have been for a couple of years. Thing is, I'm frankly a bit bored with the sound, and was never reeeally that impressed with it to begin with. My old GK RB1001, at 700W, sounded better and louder than my Genz Benz at 900W. The only reason I switched was because of the weight. So, I'm wondering whether to change. I've heard nothing but good things about the TC RH450, and it sounds great. But at 450W, it's half the power of the Genz Benz. Now, some say that it can still match it in volume, but I wonder how this is possible? Can anyone confirm this? Unfortunately there is no realistic way of me trying it to find out myself. I just find the Genz Benz... lacks something... I don't know what. I've never been able to get that great funk rock slap tone that I could from my GK.... Thanks for any advice given! [/quote] [url="http://basschat.co.uk/topic/203865-markbass-sa450-vs-tc-electronic-rh450/"]Here's some not great comments about the RH450[/url]. TBH, I'm through with any Class-D head that has that B&O power module, which seems to be most of them. They might sound OK at first, but after a while I realise there's something missing. It's like Diet Coke v. the real thing. Until there's a new generation of lightweight power modules that really work, without relying on clever circuitry to make the amp [i]sound[/i] loud, I'm back on amps that have 'proper' power supplies. They instantly give me the 'full fat' tone the others lack. I appreciate there will be no shortage of people queueing up to disagree with me, and that's fine - I can only speak from my experience.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFAPS1jQClY

[quote name='hamfist' timestamp='1364925393' post='2032798'] Not aiming this comment at anyone in particular, but with quad parametric EQ controls, you really do need a good ear and a bit of patience to get the best from it. There is a lot of potential to ruin your tone with poor EQing, and compression, and tubetone. I suspect that a few of those who have not got on with the RH simply don't have the ears and almost resent the potential complexity of the EQ. Also, I am equally sure that some folks who have not got on with them simply don't find the sound they are looking for due to the fact that they are looking for a different style of amp. What is fact, is that the RH has an incredibly versatile EQ section. Personally, I have found it very musical and with a bit of fiddling I have been able to sculpt the midrange exactly to my tastes (and the midrange is where most of the differences in "tone" are IMO. [/quote] To be fair, I gigged mine extensively for a year, and spent hours experimenting with the EQ. My issues were more dynamic than tonal.

[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1364806900' post='2030973'] On the other hand you might have come onto an internet forum just to have a bit of a moan, in which case - job done![/quote] ..and christ knows you've come to the right place to do it. What we really need is a moaners' sub-forum. Mods?

[quote name='peteb' timestamp='1364806228' post='2030957'] Christ, you're in Newcastle - that seems a pretty good description of a night on the toon with perhaps a slightly different soundtrack!! [/quote] No, no. In Newcastle it's: 'The average Joe wants to find a chick , cut a rug , brawl, go for a kebab and get laid...' with a slightly different soundtrack.

Oh, dear me. I thought he was talking about Denmark. Where in the UK are you?

[quote name='chasblaisdell' timestamp='1364805056' post='2030937'] That was then (60's) , this is now [/quote] Fair point, but to be honest I think you've done well to escape a place where '[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif] [/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]The average Joe wants to find a chick , cut a rug , brawl and get laid with the Stones and ZZ Top covers cranked.' [/font][/color]

Places like Denmark kept the Wolf and Muddy Waters going when they couldn't get a gig back home.

The older Promethean would be a great choice... IF you can get a good one.

Basschat is attracting some interesting people these days.

The DVD is still in progress (it's a mammoth task) but in the meantime, here's a time-lapse of the set-up and soundcheck.... http://vimeo.com/62434633

[quote name='hamfist' timestamp='1364727663' post='2030014'] Did you ever use any other RH's besides your own one ? I'm wondering if yours was faulty. [/quote] Nah, but quite a few other owners were of the same opinion, so it's safe to assume it was OK. Unless there was a faulty batch, of course. Plus, I think the new owner was happy enough. After I sold it, and I read about the 'true' output and the power management system, and it all made sense.

[quote name='Pembo' timestamp='1364727294' post='2030009'] Think i'll pack a flask and sandwiches and sit in Bassdirect all day. [/quote] I'm not sure the characteristics I disliked so much about the TC would have been apparent playing solo in a shop. I can never evaluate an amp until I've gigged it a few times in different environments. Whatever it is I look for in an amp, the TC just didn't have it. Don't let that put you off, though - plenty of people really like them.

I had a couple of the bigger Neo Schroeders for a few years. They are very middy, but they also had a noticeable hole in the upper-mids. Eventually the general boxiness of the tone got wearing. All IME, of course.

[quote name='Pembo' timestamp='1364687856' post='2029754'] A few times, not many by all means, it has felt like there was no presence/meat to the tone. [/quote] If you feel that way about the SA450, IMO give the TC a wide berth.

[quote name='Pembo' timestamp='1364667862' post='2029522'] what was so bad about it? [/quote] Just not to my tastes, I suppose. I had it for a year and gigged it extensively. To me, it sounds like what it is - a low-powered amp that employs clever circuitry to remove all the steel, energy and dynamics from the signal to make is 'as loud as' a 450w amp. Some people call it 'tubey', and like it - I didn't, so I sold it.

The RH450 was not my friend. I'd rather play giant elastic bands than use that amp again.

Have a word with Howard The Bass Doc. He's got a lot of good contacts for this stuff.

Are you not thinking of www.bassgear.co.uk, Truck?

[quote name='peteb' timestamp='1364495933' post='2027350'] As ever. Billy is bang on the money... [/quote] He believes we were brought to this earth billions of years ago by the leader of The Galactic Confederacy, so I'd dispute you there.