GreeneKing

Is it just me that's relieved that everything useful has now gone. The temptation to grab a bargain that I don't need and can't afford was significant

a 9v battery should last 100's of hours, or at least a lot longer than you need. Pop a new one in and don't worry I sometimes leave my bass plugged in overnight and there's no problem unless I do it often and the batteries nearly flat anyway.

Anyone need a bass player that doesn't even make a rating?

That looks rather nice Russ. How tight are you? I mean the strings of course Narrower than the Kinal (that's 17mm at the bridge if I remember correctly)? I played my P yesterday after a couple of weeks of mainly playing 15mm spaced Status and occasionally 17mm Spector. It was a very odd experience indeed. I'm really getting into 15mm spacing.

[quote name='Musicman20' post='639555' date='Oct 28 2009, 10:50 PM']Ok...having to stop myself getting a combo! I do not need one![/quote] You are not alone Stuart.

Welcome to the ACG pre club. I've a thread somewhere 'wot I wrote' to try to help folk get their head around the filters. Ere' it is: [url="http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=41878&hl=acg"]http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=41878&hl=acg[/url] I'd love to have the ability to produce a graphic website that showed how these work with an interactive frequency spectrum and sonic output controlled by virtual knobs.

Spector is of course the original Warwicks differ hugely depending on the model and vintage. I'd go old Warwick (pre 93) every time. Being a Spector owner nowadays I'd say that the Tone Pump models can lack versatility but that build quality, comfort, playability and tone are superb. They can be pretty hefty though. I've become a Spector convert 2nd time around. If I was to go 5 string Warwick it would be a Streamer no doubt. I like the 17mm string spacing on the Spectors though. Prefer bolt ons because they look better Oh and Ville (nobody's prefect) is selling my old Thumb and it is totally awesome in a way that new ones can't hope to compete with imo.

[quote name='Toasted' post='639103' date='Oct 28 2009, 02:37 PM']Bump [/quote] Is that the sound I'll make falling down the stairs on Saturday night?

The odd thing is, if you want to achieve a greater break angle over the saddles there's easier ways to do it than thru body stringing, and ways that keep the string length much shorter.. I feel like I'm becoming a cynic as I'm adding it to my growing list of things that I consider to be predominantly marketing hype I'm not immune from it btw

[quote name='EssentialTension' post='638613' date='Oct 27 2009, 11:16 PM']That's what the source I referenced seems to say about compliance or elasticity (if friction free rollers are assumed at the nut and the bridge). Except the source also seems to claim that, while there are very few studies of the extent of increased compliance with longer lengths of string beyond nut and bridge, one study that was done seemed to show that musicians couldn't actually tell the difference.[/quote] Hehe, and we're back to baddass bridges, brass nuts and paint thickness again.

I have to say that I disagree on the 'Welcome back' comment. It's not this or that, one is not mutually exclusive of the other. All forms of music have their place and time and I listen to basscentric stuff when the mood takes me. The range of bass playing used is too large to squeeze it into a genre too imo.

For he's a golly good fellow! Now to put a drop of nail varnish or loctite on them so they don't move or run away.

[quote name='EssentialTension' post='638575' date='Oct 27 2009, 10:27 PM']So what you experience would be not what the physicist calls tension but rather is compliance or elasticity.[/quote] Compliance is what I'm considering here, definitely, if that's what we choose to call it, how tight the string feels when a load is placed on it. I agree that tension imposed by the tuner over the scale length to obtain pitch is another issue that is related but not the same. It's a static vs dynamic situation as I see it.. But as we're talking how the strings 'feel' in the dynamic playing situation then I'd go with overall length effecting compliance. Effecting it in that a longer string is more compliant not less. Anyone need a project for Uni. I'm doing Social Work and I don't think I'll get it past my tutor.

[quote name='Doddy' post='638552' date='Oct 27 2009, 10:06 PM']The way I've always looked at this,is that on a 34" scale bass you need a certain tension on the strings to achieve the pitch of the open note. The string will only actually be vibrating in the 34" between the nut and bridge. The tension will not be affected by stringing through the body as this portion of the string is 'inactive'.The same way that the strings are at the headstock. The only thing that Through body stringing does-I think-is give a sharper break angle at the bridge saddle,much like having a string tree at the headstock.[/quote] I would agree Doddy that so far as pitch is concerned the scale length is the key. But as the string isn't actually anchored at the bridge saddle, or the nut, but is free to move lengthwise over these points then the length outside of the scale length will still be included in the stretching equation. It's not going to make a world of difference I know Maybe this is a pointless argument. A bit like baddass bridges, brass nuts etc Oh and I forgot, the worn through finish on a relic'd bass allowing the tone through

[quote name='silddx' post='638507' date='Oct 27 2009, 09:31 PM']What is tension anyway? Elasticity?[/quote] Yes, I think so, stretch or spring rate of the string. How much it lengthens with a load applied. In terms of extension/unit force. I'm assuming here that a longer string will stretch more for a given load than a shorter one. Hmm....

Well the nice BB2000 has agreed with my reasoning in the original thread [url="http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=53990&hl="]http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=53990&hl=[/url] If you take it to a kinda stupid extent to work it through, if you had 10 feet of string fixed between the saddle and the ferrule it's plain (for me) to see that the string would be far more floppy. I don't think that thru body stringing makes a huge difference but I certainly don't think it [b]increases[/b] tension at all, barely perceptibly the opposite in fact.

I'm thinking I need to join you Chris

I've taken this question out of another thread. Here's something I don't understand. People often talk about increasing string tension by using through body stringing. Here's my thought process: If you take a string the tone produced is set by tension between fixed 'contact points', the bridge saddle and the nut. The 'stretchiness' or tension of an individual string is set by how springy it is in terms of how much it elongates when a force is applied. i.e. if there were no stretch in a string and it was rigidly mounted it would be bar taut and wouldn't work. Given that the longer the string is between it's fixed points (not contact points) then the more it stretches for the same amount of force applied (due to a greater length of string subject to the forces that produces stretch), which makes through body stringing lead to floppier lower tension strings. Well that's my logic anyway. Am I correct and therefore everyone who says it increases string tension is wrong, or am I having a flawed reasoning process? Peter

It'd be interesting to compare an 09 P with my 09 AV P complete with bent tin bridge. I'm not tampering with it in any way because it's the dogs in terms of tone Here's something I don't understand. People talk about increased string tension with through body stringing. If you take a string the tone is set by tension between fixed points, the bridge saddle and the nut. The 'stretchiness' of an individual string is set by how springy it is in terms of how much it elongates when a force is applied. i.e. if there were no stretch in a string and it was rigidly mounted it would be bar taut. Given that the longer the string is between it's fixed points then the more it stretches for the same amount of force applied, which makes through body stringing lead to floppier strings. Well that's my logic anyway.

[quote name='jim_bass' post='636913' date='Oct 26 2009, 02:09 PM']Who's James Jamerson? [/quote] Hehe, nice one. You are, err... joking aren't you?