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This must be the first KB2 to be sold on for the original owner I would say.....

[i]"Khan said Taliban fighters shaved the heads of the musicians and made them take oaths in the presence of villagers that they would not sing or play music at weddings again."[/i] See what happens when you play Mustang Sally!!!!!!!!

[quote name='farmer61' post='515121' date='Jun 16 2009, 11:23 AM']IMO Yes it is enough, because I wouldn't look at the fee we're getting for this one gig, I'd take a much longer term view in terms of fees. Just because you don't charge the same amount doesn't mean that your not as professional. I could cite many top bands who bale out of playing gigs beacause of the smallest reasons and cheapo bands like mine who will do almost anything to make the gig.[/quote] You may be as professional but part of the reason for charging the higher amounts is that there is a lot of leg work involved in becoming more professional..... Advertising (not cheap at all), Trade shows, Pro kit, Back up kit, Pro cables (very important and not cheap), transportation, attire, business stationery, web site maintenance, mail shots.... the list is endless........ £350 per gig is not gonna cover that level of professionalism for very long.

[quote name='HeavyJay' post='515090' date='Jun 16 2009, 10:46 AM']+1 for us too! I'm beginning to think we are criminally undercharging people! I was about to quote for a wedding gig next may £350 because I thought £400 was a bit steep for them! Might have a good thorough read of this and the [url="http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=5436"]pinned wedding gigs thread[/url] before I email them back.[/quote] £350....!!!!!!!!! is that what you think you're worth as a band....c'mon.....

[quote name='thepurpleblob' post='515046' date='Jun 16 2009, 10:05 AM']...been caught with that one... "did nobody tell you the party doesn't finish until 3am. No you can't move your gear until then". Response is, "no problem, that's another £300 for the extra three hours". Either way you're onto a looser. After all you're "just" the band.[/quote] That's why you need pre-event meetings and a contract.

This is why we have our own DJ...... He's spot on every time, act's as MC when we are off stage and is on hand during the show.

yeah yeah.... you just wanna keep 'em for yourself........ I getcha.....

Awww they're gone now....... ;o(

Well part of the reason why we charge the amount we do.... there are 6 of us

13 Jeez.... I bet rehearsals are a nightmare Rich.....

[quote name='dave_bass5' post='514081' date='Jun 15 2009, 12:45 PM']Well you dont think we sell our musical souls for the love of the music do you LOL. Actually yeah, i do enjoy it, just not all the songs.[/quote] +1 ;o)

[quote name='dave_bass5' post='513957' date='Jun 15 2009, 11:01 AM']LOL, we are not professional? How so? We turn up when the client wants us to, play what they ask, always wear suits etc and get paid. how is that not professional? I have to partly agree and partly disagree with your first sentence. Yes, maybe we are underselling but who puts a price on how much we are worth? For example, you say you wont do it for less than £1500 and you do a lot of leg work, meetings etc. fine. But we dont do the leg work therefore shouldn't we charge a bit less? After all the agent will be taking the rest. Client pays the same, we earn less but do less work. To me that makes sense. I'll not argue with your experiences and yes, your on a higher level than my (or any band i know) bands but come on, there are various levels of professionalism so please dont tell me we aren't professional. One of my bands all do it full time, have 50+ weddings/functions a year. We are a band, we work for agencies, they do all the ground work with the clients, we dont have to. I guess ive done about 200 weddings over the last 5 year and most have been as you describe. But most have been in rooms where there is no dance floor until after the speeches or the room needs turning around before we can load in. I cant see any way around that so yes, we turn up when we are asked and when we have access to the room. No point turning up earlier if you cant set up. Maybe these aren't the type of gigs you are talking about and thats why i said in my experience but i wouldn't say this type of gig is uncommon on the wedding circuit. I can see why you charge more if you are also ding all the work an Agent does, thats fine but not all bands can jump straight in at that level and that was the reason for my first post.[/quote] Dave Don't get me wrong.... I'm not saying your not professional...if the client want's you to turn up at a certain time to load and play in then that's the deal.... It's just that there are a lot of bands out there that don't go the extra mile... and that's why I don't use agencies as they very rarely have that face to face contact.... it's normally all done via phone or e-mail and to me, that doesn't make the grade. Doing the legwork is part of the job I believe.... I couldn't justify letting an agent do that as I know they wouldn't obtain the detail as I would, very few of them anyway. This goes a long way and we have had lots of recommendations from brides/grooms, other wedding suppliers because we do this and not leave it to somebody else. Also Agents in my experience never promote a band the way they should be promoted. We have a stand at the National Wedding Show every year.... there may be one or two entertainment agencies there offering the usual rubbish of Robbie Williams clones or Cheesey 'Bogus Bros' type sh*te and they fob the public off with that rubbish. I don't believe that we are earning anymore than any of the other pro units out there, we are at a price point at what we are worth because people are willing to pay for that level of service. There are numerous other bands out there earning more that we do. I just think that anyone offering their services as a wedding band should really look at the level of service they offer and make sure they charge accordingly. Most gigs we turn up at around 10am in the morning to the venue, load in, soundcheck, dress the stage then clear off till required.... that's my average experience.... in the last 3 years there has only been two or three gigs where we turn up in the evening of the gig.

[quote name='dave_bass5' post='513887' date='Jun 15 2009, 09:55 AM']Sorry but thats just rubbish IME. Maybe thats your experience but not mine or most people i know doing this. If you want to get on the Social club/holiday camp circuit (as i said, IF) you have to use agents 99%. And if you think you can start out turning weddings/corporates down that are paying less than £1500 then you will loose a lot of money that bands like mione will snap up. I know of two bands gigging full time for the lpast few years, both working for agents and getting paid well but with things the way they are at the moment bookings are going down in favour of bands that charge less. Agents take money for doing nothing as we all know but some do a lot less than others. Yes, you can do it all on your own but thats not to say you should not use agents. One agency we work for are very good. They even supply floor plans, get in plans, how many steps if there are any etc if they can. They try and make the bands experience as smooth as possible. Not all(or many) do that. All im my experience of course.[/quote] Sorry Davebass but I have to disagree. I've said this time and time and time again.... but I think too many bands undersell themselves and don't look at the bigger picture and go out for too little money. If you think that you'll only get £1000 for a gig then that's fine but surely all the hard work is worth more than that. What's the point in going out for say £800..... I guess it depends on your level of commitment and professionalism to the type of band you want to be. I personally wouldn't play at a holiday/social club as I know I'm not gonna earn any more than £100 for that gig..... I've done that years ago and worked with agencies on that front and they sucked big time.... most of the clubs we played at then ditched the agents and booked us direct. You don't have to use agents. So far this year we have turned down 9 weddings due to my outfit being above the budget of the clients.... that's fine, there is a plethora of other bands willing to do the gig for little money. At present we have about 35 weddings confirmed for this year with deposits taken and our starting price for a gig is way over £1500. I have one or two gigs this year below the £1500 mark but these are special cases or mates rates. As for the agencies supplying information for the gig..... why do you think we charge the rates we do? It's because we simply would never turn up at a wedding at say 6.30 in the evening.... having to push our way through people while we load in a load of equipment and then make a load of noise during set up and sound check.... We have pre-event meetings with the clients, pre-event meetings with the venue and wedding planners. Everything is laid out in black and white before the gig so that everyone knows what is expected. If your the sort of band that turn up an hour before you play at a wedding then your not acting as a professional unit. In my experience of course. J

[quote name='Jean-Luc Pickguard' post='513693' date='Jun 14 2009, 11:08 PM']Which one is you? [/quote] LMFAO!!!!!!!

I wouldn't worry about the 2012 thing at present, don't believe the hype that come Jan 1 2012 you won't be able to analogue anymore.... not gonna happen like that.... Analogue systems are far better than the current batch of digital systems out there.....

Does your desk have Aux outputs? do you have Aux controls on each of the channels of the desk..... if so use these for monitoring as you'll be able to dial up a monitor mix for yourself.

You don't need to go to 2ohm unless its a single channel amp..... most p/amps on the market are two channel or have independent power stages at least so if you were to hang 2 x 8ohm monitors off of each channel of an 8 ohm output you would be running them at 4 ohm not two....

Reminds me of Benny Hill...... just need a little bald bloke running around....

[quote name='Major-Minor' post='511431' date='Jun 11 2009, 05:12 PM']But for how much ? Last quote I had (from a dealer) was £2000 but that was 20 years ago......[/quote] Oh go on then..... I'll give you 2 grand for it...... then you won't have to stress about taking it out the house anymore!!! ;o)

Aeroplane is a kool line too....

I'll look forward to hearing you in Coventry next month..... going on the 8th and 10th so will get a good listen to the set. J