TrevorR

Bundled my contributions up last night so... [size=4][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Updated List of Raffle Prizes:[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]01. Signed Copy of 'Weekend Rockstars' (see attached picture) - kindly donated by author & Basschat member Dave Vader, aka Dave Holwill.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]02. [/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]3m Sommer LLX instrument lead - kindly donated by obbm[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]03. Behringer bass V-AMP pro (markstuk[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]04. Eight x Lucky-dip bundles of review/promo CDs (TrevorR)[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]05. Ernie Ball Regular Slinky Strings (50/70/85/105) - new and unopened. (obbm) [/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]06. BC Polo Shirt (choose size and colour) X3[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]07. Comfort Strapp short[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]08.[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif] Music Theory for the Bass Player - Ariane Cap[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]09. Cort Electronic Tuner[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]10.[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif] [/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Yamaha Electronic Tuner[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]11. Barefaced BigOne - Original Proto-type ! (Thanks Alex!) [/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]12. 10[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]U Outboard rack (Kwiklok) (markstuk)[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif] [/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]13. DR Pure Blues (30-45-65-85-105-125)[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]14. DR Hi-Beams (30-45-65-85-105-125[/font][/color][/size] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]15. One x original design Scratchplate (TimAl, The original Scratchplate Company)[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]16. One x original design cab cover [/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif](TimAl, The original Scratchplate Company)[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]17. [/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Double support strap (bassmanady)[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]18. 3x new CTS 250k pots [/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif](bassmanady)[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]19. Set 5 tuners off a Schecter Diamond Elite [/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif](bassmanady)[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]20. Sheet of copper foil for control cavity [/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif](bassmanady)[/font][/color]

[quote name='Cato' timestamp='1474389307' post='3137615'] What would be the Beatles equivalent to 'Redemption Song'? They played with politics but, as far as I'm aware they never got anywhere close to the sheer emotional & intellectual power of that song. It's a cracking tune as well. Surely that's a goal for Marley? [/quote] And Marley could field a full 11 squad. The Beatles could just scrape together a 5-aside team...

Rumblefish... You haven't sold your wenge Wal, have you?

Anyway, added Chrisfbass to the list! That makes 9 [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Updated list:[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]01. Hamster - Tea, coffee, pastries etc. Might also bring my Parker Fly 5 and Gibson EB5, maybe my SVT-2 Pro and Barefaced Big Twin II[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]02. Silverfoxnik - BC Rich Eagle, Hayman 4040, Schecter Diamond P5, Ampeg V4BH amp &amp;amp; 115 Classic cab[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]03. TheGreek - not sure what I'm bringing yet...[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]04. Happy Jack - I'll be there with a love that will see you through[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]05. JapanAxe - probably everything in my signature. Orange Valve Tester - get your tubes tested for free![/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]06. Macdaddy.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]07. obbm - Sadowsky UV70 &amp; HPJ, Mesa Prodigy, D800 &amp; Bottle Rocket, Berg CN112 + a few cables[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]08. Billy Apple. Spectors, Marshall valves and EAD[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]09. Nancy Johnson; Thunderbirds/Whatever amps I'm running.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]10. TrevorR - Wal MK 1 Custom, Wal Pro IIE (well, I had to...!), Ariapro2 SB700, Markbass LM2 and Traveler 2x10 and 1x15[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]11. Bluejay - cameras, video equipment; no basses, unless someone asks to see a specific model. I will also be there as BGM's reporter[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]12. NickD - Maruszczyck Elwood L5A, TE Series 6 1x15 Combo, Zoom B3.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]13. Rumblefish - Rumblefish Bass,Fender Roadworn Jazz, Acoustic 370 amp,Acoustic 1x15 cab.Copy of Herbie Flowers single.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]14. Bottle - the usual: Ibanez bass, 1x12 Cab, 1x10 Combo, Pedals[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]15. alexclaber - Barefaced things and a RIM Custom 5 and maybe an old Warwick Streamer[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]16. Ordep - Fbass, Zon, amp, pedals etc[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]17. moooper-Warwicks,Sei Flamboyant 6,Genzler Amp,Eden maybe[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]18. chimike[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]19. Sibob (tentative) - '71 Precision, Xotic XJ-1T 5, '83 Squire JV Jazz. If I'm gigging, my Markbass/Barefaced rig [/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]20. timmo - Clover Avenger, PJB Bighead[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]21. louisthebass[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]22. Graham - G&amp;L Tribute L2500, USA SB2, GK MB500, EBS Neo 2x12, can bring an EBS HD350 too if anyone's interested (<--- YES PLEASE! - ChunkyMunky).[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]23. sockdeluxe_mikey - Custom Shop Fender Jazz Bass, pedal board with goodies on it, Markbass/Barefaced[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]24.WalMan - PB1680 well it would be rude not to [/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif] Probably 2 x US L2500, Gen3 BigBaby2 &amp;amp; Tonehammer 350 as they'll be going straight out in the evening[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]25. Cetera - Wal Mk1 Geddy Lee &amp;amp; fretless, Spector NS2, Spector Euro, Hamer Impact, Yamaha BB3000, GK800RB, GenzBenz Neox212, Pedalboard[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]26. Grangur - I'll bring some Warwicks (see sig) and a One10 &amp;amp; LM3[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]27. Stingray5 - Tune Basses: TWB-6 and SWV-4. SWR WorkingPro12 combo. BOSS GT-6B.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]28. Jabba_the_gut - Not sure yet.....but something home made[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]29. zero9 - Strata + 4 x PJB cabs + Acoustic Image amp[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]30. Barneyg42- Status s2 5-string headless + Markbass LM3 + Schroeder 212pl and possibly my old post office red series 1 Status 5.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]31. EssentialTension - Lakland Decade, Peerless Retromatic B2, Takamine B10 (probably for sale if not sold by then), Mesa Walkabout Scout.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]32. Churchie - Retrovibe Vantage, Ashdown ABM amp, Ashdown 210 &amp;115, various pedals[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]33. ChunkyMunky - Musicman Bongo 5HH, Yamaha TRB5ii fretless, Genz Benz Shuttle 12.0 (maybe a Barefaced Big Baby I, if I can get it up there).[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]34. Andy - Wal JG Custom, Wal mk1, Sandberg Electra TT4 (incredible bass for the money!), Phil Jones Briefcase 150w or Markbass 2*10 l[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]35. Markstuk - Active Dingwall ABZ and Z3, Barefaced S12T with a mesa prodigy four:88 (if i've still got)[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]36. Walbassist - Franz Sirius fretless 5, ACG Krell 33" fretted 5, Tecamp Bonafide and 2 x Tecamp XS115 Classic cabs[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]37. Denigar - Bergantino B/AMP and two Berg' cabs. Roscoe Custom 5 and Sire Marcus Miller V7 4 string JB plus pedal board.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]38. seashell - Fender P[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]39. hen_barn - status kingbass, status s2, status s1 5 string and Marcus Miller sure! . Tecamp puma and vanderklays 4x10!!![/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]40. 51m0n - shiny Barefaced Big Twin II, a Roscoe Century Standard 5 string, a Markbass sa450 and assorted shizzles.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]41.Captain Rumble - xotic xp-1j 4, Tonehammer, Barefaced S12[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]42. Wolverinebass - Wal Mk2[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]43. noisyjon - Fender CS MB P/J bass, Lakland USA Bob Glaub, Mesa Boogie M6 Carbine &amp; a Barefaced Super Twin.[/font][/color] 44. Chrisfbass - 2 Wals... And wait until you see the blue one!

Bringing a gang socket and daisy chaining from a nearby one isn't a bad precaution...

[quote name='chrisfbass' timestamp='1474301418' post='3136941'] Trev &amp; Nick, Expecting to be there this Saturday. [color=#008080][i]Now: do I bring my 2 Wals? .........[/i][/color] [/quote] Fantastic! Will be great to see you. As to your dilemma... You jolly wel better do! ;-)

They are lovely basses. If I was in the market for a bass now they'd be top of the list. Can't wait for a gig review!

Yay! It's back! Missed the podcast of this over the summer!

Of course, you can do it the other way round too. Didn't the Wal Pro Bass that Nick Beggs used to record Too Shy rattle around here being sold on for a reasonable market price and all the while no one realised it was a bass with provenance.

I hate to be a huge self publicist and quote myself but... [quote name='TrevorR' timestamp='1473865731' post='3133690'] ...You can conceive of an experiment to test this where a bass is rigidly mounted in a jig and tested repeatedly while mass is sequentially shaved off the neck. But there is no reason to believe that the resultant effect on the overall frequency response of the output would be linear. In fact it's much more likely that different frequencies would increase and decrease at different rates as the complex vibrational reflections and resonances caused the equivalent of diffusion fringes within the bass. The answer to the first half of the question is relatively straightforward, the second half very complex. [/quote] [quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1473948040' post='3134421'] It could be that simply removing and replacing the same neck will change the sound of the instrument if you don't put it back on exactly how it was before. [/quote] [quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1473948140' post='3134425'] Even if you did this, the only thing it would show is how altering the thickness of that particular neck attached to that particular instrument at that moment in time alters the sound. [/quote] But of course that's right, but repeated experiments across different necks, bodies etc would allow you to assess whether any consistent patterns emerged across the range of tests... Not that I can imagine anyone actually carrying out these experiments. But then again, it could be perfect IgNobel Prize fodder!

The strings of a dove, wah ho wah ho . The strings of a dove, wah ho wah ho...

[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1473857906' post='3133607'] But how can you tell that those differences are down to the thickness of the neck and not to the multitude of other variables that exit between two instruments (ignoring the fact that 2 instruments is a far too tiny sample to have any real relevance)? ...and EVERY PIECE OF WOOD IS DIFFERENT, you still won't know exactly what effect the thickness of the neck actually has. [/quote] That is the kicker here... The original question was in two parts... DOES it make a difference and HOW does it make a difference. If you look at my post you'll see that I'm firmly in a Yes It Does camp - with a bit of physics to back up that reasoning. However, the second question is much more complex. A bass is a complex system and so many things will have an effect, sometimes in unpredictable ways. Just taking neck thickness, there is nothing to say that the effect is linear - Fatter neck = fatter tone. There is no reason why a fatter neck (presuming you could get theoretically comparable necks) shouldn't create resonances that cancel out lower and lower mid frequencies. Resonances are strange things. And then there are all the other factors that also affect vibration... String seating at the nut and bridge, neck alignment and how it is seated in the neck pocket, differences in the cellular structure of different pieces of wood etc etc etc... You can conceive of an experiment to test this where a bass is rigidly mounted in a jig and tested repeatedly while mass is sequentially shaved off the neck. But there is no reason to believe that the resultant effect on the overall frequency response of the output would be linear. In fact it's much more likely that different frequencies would increase and decrease at different rates as the complex vibrational reflections and resonances caused the equivalent of diffusion fringes within the bass. The answer to the first half of the question is relatively straightforward, the second half very complex.

http://youtu.be/tZndeH9DE8s http://youtu.be/tlH4JNC8564 Here's their FB page... https://www.facebook.com/guerillasessions/?ref=ts&fref=ts

Here's a bit of fun... Some muso chums of mine get together every so often to do a "Guerrilla Session" of a favourite song. So far we've had Toto, Wings and this little ditty a much under-appreciated slice of pop-prog from 80s era Yes. Enjoy! Eagle eyed viewers may just spot Dave Marks who writes a technique column in Bassist magazine on bass and Captain America T-shirt! http://youtu.be/VbJBfkd-Tgs

[quote name='skej21' timestamp='1473773488' post='3132997'] However, I'm really struggling to see how any of those tonal factors can be picked up by a magnetic pickup?... ...I was under the impression that the strings interrupt the magnetic field of the pickup and create the signal? So surely the characteristics of an alder body would not interrupt the magnetic field at all, let alone in a different manner to a walnut body or a mahogany body? [/quote] [quote name='skej21' timestamp='1473787852' post='3133155'] I'm not saying all of the tone of the instrument is determined by the pickup. Clearly, woods, construction etc make a huge difference be instrument acoustically but surely that all becomes redundant once you use the pickups? [/quote] [quote name='skej21' timestamp='1473795866' post='3133234'] I think what I'm trying to ask is, if our ears perceive 'tone' as the waveforms that an instrument produces acoustically through the combination of wood, construction, resonance, sustain etc how does this translate through a magnetic pickup which uses interference of a magnetic field to reproduce a sound? [/quote] As many have said, the fundamental tone of the bass will be largely determined by the choice of strings and the pickup and its placement. However, the mode of vibration of the strings will be heavily affected by the materials in the body and neck of the bass. This is what creates the complexities in the waveform. Often it is tempting to think that the strings just transmit vibrations into the body of the bass and that's it. Hence questions about how much those vibrations affect the pickups. That's not what is at work. The strings transmit a significant degree of vibrational energy into the bass. These resonate through the body and neck which causes very complex modulation of the vibrations, emphasising frequencies, reducing others etc. This will vary with the physical properties of the wood, the nature of the neck joint, the shape of the bass etc etc etc... Again, if you want to get an idea of the amount of energy transferred into the bass lean the headstock or butt of the bass against your wardrobe door while playing and you will see that there is enough energy being transferred to the door to drive it like a speaker. How the body woods affect the tone is that every bit as much as the strings are transmitting vibrations into the body and neck, the neck and body are also driving their modulated vibrations back into the strings through the nut and bridge. That increases the complexity of the waveform in the string (otherwise, why wouldn't the string generate a relatively simple sine wave tone?). This vibrational interplay continues back and forth, creating the particular timbre of the bass which it then picked up from the modulated string movement by the pickup - whether a magnetic pickup or transducer. Now, you might argue that these resonances wouldn't be strong enough to hear. However, that underestimates the potential strength which resonances can create. Real world examples are manifold... A soprano breaking a wine glass with a resonant high note or a glass harp. Sympathetic vibrations between pendulums. Or most spectacularly, the Tahoma Narrows Bridge collapse. This famous video shows how when the vibration of the cables on a suspension bridge caused by a light wind blowing are transmitted into the body of the bridge, resonate within the bridge, and are then transferred back into the cables at a resonant frequency, increasing the amplitude of their vibration. This continues until a runaway resonant feedback makes the whole bridge twist and buck until the bridge literally rips itself apart. The force involved was merely a light breeze blowing across the suspension cables (as I recall the wind speed was only 15 or 20 mph -hardly a raging gale). But it has a really noticeable effect on the bridge. For me that shows that it's entirely possible that all the various elements in a bass will audibly contribute to the sound it makes to one degree or another. The neck and body are some of the most major components and their contribution can't simply be dismissed as minimal.

You could do a Dame Kiri and top it off with World in Union. Scotland... 500 miles... Natch, what else could it be? Ireland... Any Thin Lizzy esp Whiskey in the Jar Wales... Some Manics or as others have said, Tom Jones Italy... It's Now or Never but include one verse as "O solé meo" and another of "Just one Cornetto" France... Tricky... Je Ne Regrette Rien? She? Michelle? Les Miserables medley? Joe Le Taxi? Si Si, Je Suis Un Rock Star?... getting a bit desperate now...

Fully paid up member of the "just leave me cold" club here too. Most I'm completely ambivalent about except the Grabber and Ripper, which I have an irrational dislike of, to almost anaphylactic proportions. No idea why.

A year or so ago I spend an afternoon in Andertons trying all their acoustic basses. The cream of the crop £500ish price bracket was a Faith Titan Neptune bass which I took home with me that afternoon. Felt much nice to me than the Takamine which I did not like at all. Very simple but effective Shadow pickup and tone system. All round lovely bass. Plays great and sounds great both acoustically and plugged in. Came with the case...

And don't forget the Bass Bash in two weeks... Haven't been to Boaters in yonks but isn't it great!

Gary, so sorry to hear that. Surely a pleasant day out amongst like minded folks (albeit sans heavy gear) would be a perfect spirit raiser, release endorphins and promote more rapid healing...? Worth a try with Mrs Mac...

Nick, I should be able to provide some lucky-dip bundles of review/promo CDs for the raffle. Will have a look upstairs at what's kicking about. They won't be bass-focused but all of "3* out of 5 review" quality or more.

Got carried away and added 9 tracks. All absolutely favourite bass lines. Lynott, Lee, Laboriel, Thomas, Hope-Taylor and Sklar. It would have been a round 10 but Johnny Gus's line on Love Is The Drug had already been added by a person of discerning taste!

I stuck in Up To 1k. Played a pretty full Greenbelt festival big top and some heaving smaller tents when I was in a folk rock band back after uni. Since played to some big charity events at Ascot Racecourse, local festivals and the like as part of the Ents for the day. No idea how many were there at each, or how many were listening.