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[quote name='DaveFry' timestamp='1503308007' post='3356988'] 32-bar AABA form ( with pre-agreed intro and ending ) ..... take it away Red ! [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_htGBKvXWpI[/media] [/quote] Yeah, that's lovely. There is a transcription knocking around on the net somewhere of just Red's solo(s). (broken down into various sections) Bass is not in standard tuning either ? Blimey, nearly forgot, Clark Terry is brilliant on this. Thanks for the post. EDIT: Seems EssentialTension posted while I was typing.

[quote name='ambient' timestamp='1503262265' post='3356839'] I love him, he's amazing. He was over here recently with Chaka Khan. I didn't see any of the gigs, but everyone I know who did said how fantastic he was. Love his 7 string Smiths too. [/quote] Yes, he is pretty special. His solos are really quite fluid and melodic. I was lucky to see him at Ronnie Scott's with Dave Grusin and Lee Ritenour. The whole thing was pretty impressive. I came away thinking that I had been in the company of some pretty serious musicianship.

Not disturbed at all. Sorry if I came across arrogant, not my intention. The post just tickled me, that's all.

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1503255177' post='3356747'] I'm not really fussed that it be a bass, a guitar or an accordion; it didn't do anything for me, end of. I might have been slightly impressed if he got those notes out of a carved carrot, but even then... [/quote] Yes, we all know. You made it quite clear in post #2. See you same time tomorrow.

[quote name='Rocker' timestamp='1503251880' post='3356714'] No method that helps in the learning of a song/tune can ever be deemed evil. Notation is the most accurate but we are playing music after all.... [/quote] Ultimately, it's the ear that is the most accurate. Notation might be the most accurate in conveying the notes & performance guides, but without the ears in the first place to transcribe, there would be no notation (or TAB's). Your ears will also tell you if the chart (or TAB) is wrong or inaccurate (well they should do, through practise). Also, there is a lot of material you might want to learn or play that isn't available in charts or TAB's, so that's maybe a good reason to practise getting your ears into shape and start transcribing, that without a doubt, opens up a whole new world on the music journey.

[quote name='obi 2 kenobi' timestamp='1503248409' post='3356681'] E - C tuning on Roscoe ? [/quote] Yes, it sounds like it. The register he is playing in is a sweet spot for Bass Guitar when taking the tune/melody.

[quote name='pete.young' timestamp='1503224711' post='3356506'] It would be a dull world if we all liked the same things. Nathan East is pretty good if you like this kind of thing. Nice mellow sound for a Sunday morning. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7YNKP_TBts [/quote] That's 'Melvin Davies' on Bass duties at the back, He can solo a bit. http://youtu.be/wGMCa2F474I

[quote name='No lust in Jazz' timestamp='1503238420' post='3356604'] [media]http://youtu.be/xOHNYFIDLpc[/media] its the only way you'll get me near 'The Blues' [/quote] Haha... Excellent.! On another note 'Hen Hoe Down' just put a big smile on my face...I mean that is you? Yes ?

Maybe an audience notice or hear things more than you think. This lot don't need to go to 'Ears R Us' 10:35 onwards. [url="http://youtu.be/IWBkVucVMCY?t=10m35s"]http://youtu.be/IWBkVucVMCY?t=10m35s[/url]

[quote name='ambient' timestamp='1503227325' post='3356537'] Can I ask, where did you get TAB from then? [/quote] I had not really indulged in TAB so have little knowledge about it. What I did see always seemed limited to me. However, this thread got me looking deeper into it. It's still of no real use to me what so ever, but the Wiki info is quite interesting regarding it's advantages and disadvantages. Historical wise, it played a big part in the Renaissance and Baroque eras. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablature

[quote name='Les' timestamp='1503225034' post='3356511'] TAB scores highly on the readily available and free category [/quote] So does sex, but unlike TAB, it needs to be accurate.

I could never get on vocally with that Stranglers version. I much prefered the Soulful vocal performance, along with a great groove and tasteful playing on the AWB version. The Bass playing is so in the pocket. (just my opinion of course). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kva5h7tWS3Y

[quote name='mikel' timestamp='1503212284' post='3356397'] Pedantry apart, we are discussing a previous posters assertion that the ability to read music is the measure of a real musician. My personal view is that there is nothing wrong with learning a bass part from Tab, or being able to play the piano without being able to read music. What is your view. [/quote] I was just jesting really. My view ? I suppose do whatever you are comfortable with in the musical learning process. Certainly using TAB doesn't make someone less of a musician. However, if someone wants to make a career out of music, reading the dots would be much more of an advantage than having just a good command of TAB's. You would be more employable. Apart from the playing side (shows/sessions etc) there are numerous opportunities for income from other sources, providing you know what you are doing with the dots.

Nice tone, nice feel, decent chops and oh Lordy, he dared to play something melodic. Good playing all round from the band as well.

[quote name='bubinga5' timestamp='1503170739' post='3356243'] i think this is just fantastic. Tom Barney's bass playing is just...The horn section.. Jon Herringtons guitar solo is just epic. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1VKLM04Dgg[/media] if its not Incognito its Steely Dan [/quote] Yes, great version. The middle backing singer is Carolyn Leonhart, check out some of her Jazz singing on YouTube, marvellous.

[quote name='ivansc' timestamp='1503164834' post='3356190'] and in Michael McDonalds case wound up [/quote] 3:54. Michael wants to stab Donald. http://youtu.be/9c74od1sZxo

[quote name='mikel' timestamp='1503163244' post='3356179'] He could site read like an orchestral conductor and it would make no difference as we don't write our stuff down. [/quote] That wouldn't help much. An Orchestral Conductor Score is mainly for reference. Orchestral Conductors read very little on the stand, other than bits here and there, or important things (to them anyway). It's mostly committed to memory and very well mentally rehearsed. Reading a full Orchestral score isn't difficult, but committing to memory, all and every line is. Yep, Classical musos have ears as well.

Phil Upchurch. (also a very good guitarist). He gets a bit tongue tied at 4:30, but George comes to the rescue. Some very nice playing on the Breein' album. Stanley Banks is the other Bass player on that album. In fact, Stanley Banks has pretty much gigged with George Benson since the mid 70's up until the present day. The excellent Harvey Mason on Drums on the album as well. (Phil Upchurch on this track). http://youtu.be/MTHcHZ0VzGo

[quote name='cybertect' timestamp='1503141246' post='3355984'] [i]Pirates[/i] by Rickie Lee Jones, with which it shares Donald Fagen, Dean Parks, Chuck Rainey and Randy Brecker in the credit. [b]It gets a lot of listens.[/b] [/quote] In my house as well. Super album.

[quote name='bubinga5' timestamp='1503106954' post='3355795'] This never gets old..The album is a masterpiece . its so well put together. A true master in music. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5LSRrAwUtA[/media] [/quote] This line from Will Lee is great (doubled with Synth). Someone put up a transcription here. http://basschat.co.uk/topic/59948-walk-between-the-raindrops/ One of my fave albums as well. The stunning playing, writing and arranging is just top draw. I know what SiCbass means by a night album, especially when everyone is in bed... http://youtu.be/sogYgHlNnqo?list=PLF053611664329823

[quote name='ambient' timestamp='1503087479' post='3355680'] It's great being able to look at a piece of notation, and just understand what's going on from the visual information there. [/quote] That's a great point. I learned a whole show (Grease) on a ten hour flight to the Far East. With my headphones and the show on mini disc, along with a copy of the show pad, I wasn't turning up completely cold. There was no surprises and I had complete confidence in what I was doing. I had become familiar by visually taking it all in beforehand.

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1503065984' post='3355481'] As an aside, how, with 'dots' is one supposed to convey tone, such as fuzz, or 'grit'..? Dots have their limitations too, in some circumstances. [/quote] It's just written on the chart, isn't it ? 'Overdrive', 'Chorus pedal'. Just as 'Mutes', 'Cups' etc are written on Trumpet/Bone parts. Or String articulations for up and down bows etc. It's up to the arranger/orchestrator or engraver to put as much info on the part as they can. But then again I am talking about professional scores. Parts written out for fun to share, or post up on YouTube, usually lack that kind of detail. TAB is not evil, but it's not something I have ever used or indeed ever seen on a gig/show/session. Not to say it hasn't appeared for other folks. If someone doesn't read the dots or is not so good with the ears, I can see TAB being useful. Just another musical tool I suppose.

Listening to a lot of Ray Brown/Paul Chambers recordings, along with getting the chord changes from the first/early fake books.I also had a good upright teacher, a guy called Joe Mudele. A fantastic Bebop player.

I can't help here, but an American Musical Director I used to work for, always said before giving us all the downbeat.... "Here we go ladies & dudes, curtain up....stay loose and hang loose"

Been depping and freelancing for about forty years and have mainly steered away from original bands. Too much rehearsing going on for no payment and usually pretty poor money on the gig - Yep, I am a 'bread head'. Not knocking the life of the original band, 'cause most are pretty good. But just not for me. My depping has taken me from The Falkland Islands to Tokyo and just about everywhere in between. Shows/Functions/Weddings/Turns/Big Bands/Jazz/Orchestras/Corporate Trade shows and even a farting act (a geezer, in a green all in one lycra bodysuit). Mainly excellent times, some seat of my pants times, and of course, some memorable train wrecks from all along the way. The big plus is, I have played with some terrific musicians. Is depping a good idea ? Yes, of course it is....