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[quote name='Left Foot' timestamp='1368533860' post='2078059'] Ive never played others music live for that exact reason, Im not good at being artisan and replicating something out of a formula unless given the free range to manipulate it into something very different. Covers have never really come into the bands consideration either really. Jack White said something cool on a radio interview about how he found his voice performing his own songs. To paraphrase, he basically said that he has to view live perfomance as sounding something different from what he originally intended even if he is following his own formula, this followed from some conversation about the idea that artists cannot achieve the grandness of their original creative thought. It was this element of trying to achieve something that he alone envisioned in his head that gave him his connection to the song and 'voice' during a performance. Always relating to his own take on things. I basically can not find a voice performing others music as most music I would want to cover is soo good that I dont think I can add anything to it, theres no connection because the sound is already amazing. Even the imperfections are treasured so I dont feel like I have anything else to add to it. [/quote] We did a couple of requested covers at the wedding I mentioned above, and they had to be close to the original, Glory Box by Portishead and Feeling Good (Muse version). They were reasonably fun to do, but compared to the other covers we do which are really f***ed up versions and very different to the originals, there was no joy in playing them at all.

[quote name='bassace' timestamp='1368521899' post='2077884'] I've just lifted this from the other forum. I do hope I don't get into trouble but I found it quite amusing. [color=#000000][font=verdana, geneva, lucida,]Yogi Berra on Jazz[/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=verdana, geneva, lucida,]An interview with the Master of Malapropisms[/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=verdana, geneva, lucida,]Interviewer: Can you explain Jazz?[/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=verdana, geneva, lucida,]Yogi: I can't, but I will. 90% of all Jazz is half improvisation. The other half is the part people play while others are playing something they never played with anyone who played that part. So if you play the wrong part, its right. If you play the right part, it might be right if you play it wrong enough. But if you play it too right, it's wrong.[/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=verdana, geneva, lucida,]Interviewer: I don't understand.[/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=verdana, geneva, lucida,]Yogi: Anyone who understands Jazz knows that you can't understand it. It's too complicated. That's what's so simple about it.[/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=verdana, geneva, lucida,]Interviewer: Do you understand it?[/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=verdana, geneva, lucida,]Yogi: No. That's why I can explain it. If I understood it, I wouldn't know anything about it.[/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=verdana, geneva, lucida,]Interviewer: Are there any great Jazz player alive today?[/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=verdana, geneva, lucida,]Yogi: No. All the great Jazz players alive today are dead. Except for the ones that are still alive. But so many of them are dead, that the ones that are still alive are dying to be like the ones that are dead.[/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=verdana, geneva, lucida,]Interviewer: What is syncopation?[/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=verdana, geneva, lucida,]Yogi: That's when the note that you should hear now happens either before or after you hear it. In Jazz, you don't hear notes when they happen because that would be some other type of music. Other types of music can be Jazz, but only if they're the same as something different from those other kinds.[/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=verdana, geneva, lucida,]Interviewer: Now I really don't understand.[/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=verdana, geneva, lucida,]Yogi: I haven't taught you enough for you to not understand Jazz that well.[/font][/color] [/quote] Awesome

It takes a long time to develop a real personality on an instrument, if indeed that's what the player wants to do. It's by no means a prerequisite. But I'd agree with a lot of what B5 has said. There are loads of people at all skill levels who don't seem to have much expression in their playing. Lines are uniformly played with no nuance or passion. I had an interesting epiphany at the weekend. Kit Richardson was asked to play a friend's wedding. Our drummer had to go to hospital for an emergency operation which we found out the morning of the gig and we could not pull out. We managed to coerce the guitarist's rather frightened drummer from another band (who has never played the songs and is not really capable of the techniques required) into giving it a shot. So we spent an hour in a tiny room in a church hall teaching him the songs by having the band sing all the parts to him, I was singing my bass lines with the rest of the band. Me and the guitarist conducted him through the arrangements on stage. He even managed a song he hadn't rehearsed by us beatboxing the basic drum pattern to him a few seconds before and conducting the arrangement to him during the song. He did a cracking job too even though he didn't have the technical complexity needed. He was on cloud nine about it cos he was shitting himself before he went on. My epihpany was that as I was singing my bass lines with the band to teach him the songs, I was adding all sorts of (slightly humourous and exaggerated) emphasis to the dynamics of the lines. I realised that I actually do have some personality on the insrument and the way I approach playing it and composing for it, I am replicating the dynamics in my mind and using various techniques, effects and volume pedal to achieve what my imagination is telling me the song needs while reflecting my deep feelings about how I want the dynamics to sound. It was actually like being a child again, singing to myself in an uninhibited way, just really enjoying it. I've learned loads from that, and I am going to sing out loud as much as possible while I'm playing at home. I reckon it will teach me a lot more about my fingerboard too, and develop a much closer relationship between my mind and fingers.

[quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1368456565' post='2077272'] "Ethical purchasing" can be a funny thing, depending on where it's viewed from. Eg - food miles. It's widely assumed to be 'a good thing' to buy local produce . . . but what if the local tomatoes have been grown in local heated glasshouses instead of in a naturally hot climate and flown here instead. Are low food miles still ethical if the embedded energy content is higher than the equivalent item flown in from abroad? Is it 'ethical' to actually eat anything that can't be grown locally? But where would that leave us in the UK regarding citrus fruits, for example? Eg - cheap clothing. It's widely assumed to be 'a bad thing' to buy cheap clothes made by 14 year olds halfway around the world. But again, the carbon footprint of those cheap clothes - even allowing for transportation - is going to be far lower than expansive clothes made in the west but highly paid (in comparison) workers who drive to work in modern factories and go home to centrally heated homes with all the lastest high-embedded energy 'lifestyle' applicances we all love in the west. Eg - loads of similar examples borne out of the fact that we're all living the high-energy good life at the expense of poorer regions of the world, yet there isn't enough wealth (=energy) to provide 7 billion people with our luxurious lifestyle. [/quote] I'm thinking more about animal and human welfare conditions, but you make a good argument regarding the global warming / CO2 emissions aspects and impacts.

[quote name='plumbob' timestamp='1368391108' post='2076565'] I think this guy is right on the money , have just spoke to a friend of mine who said that its all over facebook and twitter , seems that this outfit may have just screwed themselves in the music biz , [b]nobody is gonna buy off this type of outfit ![/b] [/quote] Course they will. And then they'll celebrate with a KFC and spill a load of that horrible sauce on their Primark shirt from Bangladesh. Most people don't give a flying sh*t about ethical purchasing if they can save a few bob or a few minutes.

[quote name='Jus Lukin' timestamp='1366370351' post='2051561'] I have too much gear, I think it is fair to say. I'm toying with the idea of using my POD 2.0 into my small bass amp (GK MB12-II) for guitar gigs, and moving my guitar amp on to make some space. Over the summer I'll probably do a lot of A/Bing, both at home and at gigs, although the first test yesterday was very promising. I'm just wondering whether anyone else has gone this route before, and how it worked for you? [/quote] I use my POD X3 LIVE direct to desk for my pro guitar gig, and my bass gigs, I don't have an amp at all. However, at rehearsals I take a line out of the POD and go into the power stage of the bass amp (the effect return) and run the full amp and cab sims in the patches, never had any problems, only the real cabs will have an effect on the sound really.

[quote name='obi 2 kenobi' timestamp='1368390026' post='2076545'] 100% with you. {removed by Rich}[/quote] Calm down son, you need to look at this sh*t FAR more philosophically if you are to even nibble at the little toenail of your user name.

[quote name='Gust0o' timestamp='1368316361' post='2075705'] I had to sit down and write bass lines for four new songs our guitarists have been putting together. Finally some real activity, and came quite close to echoing Nige's epiphany... Though I'm not half the player he is! [/quote] That's very kind mate, but I often wonder what's the biggest tool, me or the bass.

I've been through this although not as bad as Mr Bell. I've found Warwicks and Jazzes suit me, and I love them, but as I can't spend new money I have bought and sold and lost money finding this out. I just sold my dream Warwick to buy a truly lovely 83 USA Jazz. I really feel it's me. I wonder how long that sh*t will last. The fact is, I've been playing a LOT recently, and I love doing it on that Jazz. The more you play, and I mean, at least a couple of hours a day more than you usually do, the pleasure of a new bass totally pales in comparison to the thrill of finding your playing and imagination has improved so much so quickly, by actually f***ing playing and improving. Instead of looking in FOR SALE and having a w***.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1368313651' post='2075687'] Yay! Great pics, Nige. Fat sweaty bass players rule! [/quote]

[quote name='SpaceChick' timestamp='1368269002' post='2075104'] This thread is worthless without pictures [/quote] It was a splendid evening! Lovely to meet Mark and Lozz, and great to see Ad again. HOTD were really good, first gig too, I really enjoyed their set of what reminded me of US '70s new wave, post punk. Mr Bridger were fun, the singer did some damage to a Fender Stratocaster The Jetsonics were ace as always! Hour Of The Dog The Jetsonics [url="https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/941662_10151571444019659_841313466_n.jpg"][/url]

Ant, I think you need to ask yourself what your intended audience may want from your videos, then deliver that. As it is, it's just a riff you are showing me at different speeds, no context, no explanation of what it is or why I should learn it. It's a video of a young fella in his bedroom playing a lick. Also, you are playing out of time in places. That said, it's a nice little disco lick with a nice tone, but I really need to know what the point of learning it is. What techniques am I developing, what's the melodic and harmonic context, how can I change it for a minor key, etc Best of luck, keep doing them but think about what your target audience needs, think about a concept, do something Scott Devine, Marlowe DK, et al are NOT doing. How can YOU help us be better bassists, and more importantly, MUSICIANS.

[quote name='bluejay' timestamp='1368112043' post='2073362'] Oh, all right. I asked because I saw someone comment on FB along the lines of "so what", so I wondered whether it was a controversial move or sumfink... Now there's no excuse to keep away from the Marketplace, folks! [/quote] Oh gosh no not at all! BC is getting better all the time but I see a lot of moaning and apathy concerning the updates. So my comment was in relation to that, ped announces a big and helpful change and no one comments.

That's fantastic!

No purpose, they look cool in an old skool way, but most people take them off.

[quote name='AntWPF' timestamp='1368112724' post='2073375'] I probably should have mentioned that the video is currently uploading, I'll post the link when it's done. [/quote] Cool Erm, watch your spelling on your FB page Bare with me, eyes pealed, etc. It looks unprofessional mate.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1368058948' post='2072774'] You don't need to spend any more than this on instrument cables: [url="http://www.rock-wire.uk.com/"]http://www.rock-wire.uk.com/[/url] And I would say that quality speaker cables [i]do [/i]make a big difference to your sound. Instrument cables less so. [/quote] Bang on mate. Rock Wire cables are what I use now too, amazing quality and at an excellent price, made by our own obbm (Dave Polglaze) who is the same kind of very helpful gent as John East.

Have a cracking show Jennifer, sorry I won't be able to be there, which is a shame because it's a short bus ride away.

I was merely commenting on how no one had thanked ped for his work on getting the payment system sorted.

Link?

TUNE! Shep, that's wickid! I have no problem with the vox levels, I think it all settles very nicely in the mix. Great production. Do like Paul said and shop it around. What a great global project to be involved with!

Top work, Chris! Nice to see your work's appreciated