Musicman20

Sadowsky will sell one directly. The Gallery may also be able to help.

[quote name='wateroftyne' post='1355982' date='Aug 30 2011, 09:34 AM']I really, really hope it is![/quote] Otherwise, there would be no additional power, which doesnt make sense at all....we shall see! I do however understand Uffe's explanation given, and why they did it. It might seem odd, but as a few on talkbass mentioned, you can turn everything up full and nothing will clip...at all...just keep pushing.

The general consensus is the 750 spec is a typo. We shall find out soon.

When I saw Foo Fighters at Milton Keynes Bowl, Jimmy Eat World supported (and they were superb as always). Oh yes, I spotted the exact same Micro VR. If those amp heads didnt have the current problems I hear about on tbass, id probably buy one myself. Once they iron the issues out I might buy one.

[quote name='Bill Fitzmaurice' post='1354371' date='Aug 28 2011, 03:09 PM']Well, if you paid for a 16 ounce steak and were served an 8 ounce steak would you be happy just because it tastes good? It certainly is no more unethical, but also is no more excusable. I really have to wonder about the personal values of those who not only seem not to to care when they've been defrauded, but even defend the actions of the defrauder.[/quote] This is going a little bit over the top. Im sorry, but even if I didnt have an RH750, I would still think the attacks on the amp after the MASSIVE praise for the last 2 years is just plain weird. Most the people dont even own one.

Id seriously try using your own ears before listening to everything on forums. Following 100% forums movements has led me to mistakes with my gear in the past. I have no reason to defend TC, I am in no way affiliated or sponsored etc, I paid the shop prices for this gear (although I did get it cheaper than most as I always haggle!). If you think the RH450 is underpowered, then all the MB LM/F series are underpowered, as is the Shuttle 6.0/9.0. If you need more volume, then Im guessing you are playing much larger stages. I have spent time A/Bing most the modern micros, and the volume pulls ahead of all the 500W MB amps, and the Genz Shuttle 6.0. We will find out more on Monday when Uffe starts to comment. I also ignore anything by a rival endorsee, especially when they are competing for TCs current market share.

8x10....last night I think even a 2x12 would have been overkill.

Over on talkbass, Uffe from TC has stated he is going to discuss the APM/Wattage in more depth on Monday. It seems he had a lot more pressing matters (a newborn baby!) on his mind, which puts the ridiculous witch hunt into perspective.

I had a great Trace amp but I wouldn't go for one again now. The 12 band graphic never really worked out for me. Very bright/trebly with not enough low mids.

[quote name='Mark Latimour' post='1352496' date='Aug 26 2011, 02:41 PM']What's your personal view on the ethics of what TCE have done?[/quote] Probably should have been marketed differently. But, Ive seen countless amps rated as one wattage, and tested as lower. I agree, they need to make a statement and clarify properly. Either that, or provide more evidence. I don't think its the criminal act many other's seem to think it is. If it performed badly/underpowered, then yes, Id be angry, but in my eyes, something is a miss with these ratings. There has to be more to it, more than we understand, that allows the amp to be so incredibly punchy and, IMO, powerful. Part of the backlash is probably that some competitors are annoyed TC managed to snatch so much of the market with their first ever bass amp.

Ethics is a touch subject im afraid. Everyone will have their personal view on it. For example, I rarely will take any notice of an endorsee bashing a rival company. Why? Ethics. Plus, common sense.

The more that thread goes on, the more immensely funny it becomes. I wonder why there is so much venom, and why the witch hunt? You don't see it against Genz/MB, when they release amps that dont reach their wattage on bench tests. (Not an attack on those companies, btw, great products).

[quote name='Bill Fitzmaurice' post='1352440' date='Aug 26 2011, 02:01 PM']There are two distinct camps on this issue at TB. One (which I subscribe to) says that lying about the power ratings of their amps is just plain wrong. The other, which is typified by responses like yours, says that as long as it sounds good we don't care if they are advertising fraudulent power ratings. Consider that attitude the next time you go to the petrol pump that may, or may not, be giving you every liter you've paid for.[/quote] Its not really the same though. If they gave you a different petrol, less of it, but it in fact does exactly the same as the other spec wise, or in fact outperforms, (which we have heard this amp do) then there is no problem. Sure they should have maybe marketed it differently, but the amount of crazy passionate responses by people who havent played or heard the amp looks like a witch hunt, and I think they should probably get out more and play bass more.

It covers my current favourites: 3TS White BUT, they should have a few more exciting ones, eg seafoam green. I think the most exciting colours now come from Musicman. I really want a Musicman, doesnt matter which, in one of the more 'out there' colours like Tangerine Pearl/Lava Pearl.

Ampeg still cant create a true micro amp that doesnt have a failure rate (see the thread on Talkbass) and thats just a simple small solid state 200W amp with very simplistic controls. Everything else they make is still too large/too heavy for the market they are trying to reach.

I miss John F!

[quote name='alexclaber' post='1352221' date='Aug 26 2011, 11:32 AM']No it isn't. Good but small cab + big power = nice tone and volume. Or large cab + small power = nice tone and volume. But good but small cab + small power = not enough loudness or fatness. Is that so hard to understand? An analogy is sailing - small cab is like having a small sail. If you want to move at a decent speed you have two options - smaller boat (ie less bottom) or more wind (ie more amp power). Or get a bigger sail (bigger cab) or more sails (more small cabs).[/quote] Not in the slightest bit hard to understand, again, I tend to defer from delving too deep into audio engineering because I spend enough time keeping up to date with the English Legal System, so as you can imagine, I get to a point when I know I don't really need to go any further into the understanding for just enjoying being a bassist. Again, I wouldnt want to throw 800W at a small cabinet, no matter what engineering went into it. If I was struggling, id add another cabinet.

[quote name='chris_b' post='1352234' date='Aug 26 2011, 11:43 AM']So my experience of "masses of low end" isn't "masses of low end"? What is it then?[/quote] I imagine super deep reggae/dubstep/drum & bass low end, which I would personally want the PA to work on. Ive never played a gig where they have wanted that chest thumping low end, although Ive seen a few large live bands do it at very large gigs.

[quote name='wateroftyne' post='1352195' date='Aug 26 2011, 11:16 AM']Ah, OK. I've learned to never trust what I hear in a shop. [/quote] Its less of a shop and more of a testing ground! When I mean crank I really do mean crank to proper volume. After being a little OTT with regards to research on the recent micro amp surge, I knew what to look for. If it doesnt sound great to my ears in the shop, then it wont sound great, to me, at home, or at low volume rehearsals, or potentially in the studio, so I wont buy it just for a tone that works 'on the gig' and thats it, (then we start getting into 'Sadowsky gig tone' territory). A lot of players don't get to gig much and just play at home, record, etc, so as much as the gig is 80% of the reason we may buy amps, there are more uses, for me, that I find important.

What is the 'deep' bass useful for though? Apart from damaging not-so-highly-spec'd cabinets? haha. We are all different, but that deep sub bass is not my tone at all. Id find it very hard to find use for it onstage.

I think it also gets to the point when enough is enough. Use the PA for support and keep the stage volume reasonable, to protect your ears a little more if nothing else, (even when using ear protection I have been in bands where even that isnt quite enough). Unless you are in Metallica, the volume is moot.

[quote name='wateroftyne' post='1352163' date='Aug 26 2011, 10:59 AM']Did you gig with the Staccato?[/quote] It was literally an A/B test before I bought the 450, which I recently sold to get the 750. So, no, I understand this isnt the greatest of tests, but I trust my ears. The Bass Merchant let me crank the living hell out of both of them as they are on industrial estate. Two RS cabs. The clear deep bottom end of the Staccato is very obvious when A/Bed with the 450. The bass was similar to the Streamliner, eg, I had to cut it, which was quite odd. Much more present highs as well. I gigged with the 450 a fair few times, mainly in a pretty excessive modern punk band which involved very fast clear runs on bass. I was always impressed as were the soundmen. Nowadays I have 2 micros I rotate for gigs. For sheer ease/features/mix cut, the 750 edges the Streamliner IMO. But, both have their merits of excellent tone, just different. The 450/750 is definitely more focussed on low mids, which personally I like. The STL900 to me is more about, as you noted 'meat and potatoes' bass tone. Very fat, very warm, clear smooth mids and highs. The bass is outstanding, but sometimes a little too much...it all depends I have a LM3 incoming, so I intend to make a demo of sorts about all three amps into one cabinet/using one bass.