Jean-Luc Pickguard

[quote name='ficelles' post='1259794' date='Jun 7 2011, 03:17 PM']It's called Libel. Look it up.[/quote] Its only libel if it is untrue - look it up

Lets see this response from EBMM if it exists

[quote name='ficelles' post='1259720' date='Jun 7 2011, 02:25 PM']I'd be careful using that word "lie" in print btw. Just sayin'. ficelles[/quote] Why? [quote]Brand: Musicman[/quote] I'm using this definition of Lie: To convey a false image or impression

[quote name='ficelles' post='1259594' date='Jun 7 2011, 12:51 PM']Assuming he hasn't got totally put off by all the b/s re this listing and burnt it.[/quote] The only BS is in the ebay listing suggesting that the neck *may* be genuine. The listing title *now* says it is a copy, but it is was originally listed as being a musicman bass, but he got rumbled and changed it. It still says *brand: musicman* in the item specifics box, which is untrue, so by definition a lie. I am having difficulty understanding the weasly-worded assertion that the neck appears to be *kosher*. I don't agree that this means I'm *a moron* but I would appreciate peoples' opinions on what they think that line means: [list=1] [*]He believes it to be a genuine musicman neck but can't prove it [*]He believes it to be a genuine musicman neck and can prove it [*]He knows it is not a genuine musicman neck, but it looks like one from a distance if you squint [*]He knows it is not a genuine musicman neck, but is hoping for someone as uninformed as he was to take a punt [*]A Rabbi say it's OK to eat it? [*]Something else [/list]

[quote name='ficelles' post='1259216' date='Jun 7 2011, 01:03 AM']Ok kiddo, this seller happens to be a close friend and he ain't lyin' re the neck info. You want to talk about it, maybe come and see me. Fyi he HAS contacted MusicMan and HAS been told by MusicMan - after sending detail photos - that the neck looks genuine (I thought there was a separate serial no on the neck to the one on the body but I could be wrong). Bravado apart, it's clear he was ripped off on this bass and is being very honest rather than repeating the spiel he was given. I have worked on this bass as far as cleaning out the control cavity and using switch cleaner on the pots goes, but since I know zero about MusicMan stuff I can't tell you any more than is in the listing. Whatever it may be it actually plays nicely and sounds pretty good. But don't be so quick to call people liars online - he's a genuine guy who has bought unwisely (unkowingly) and is trying to be fair when re-selling by giving all the info he has at his disposal. Btw if anyone knows the original seller of this bass I'd like a word with him. ficelles[/quote] OK Tough guy, if you want to know whether the neck is genuine, why not let the collected wisdom of basschat see the detailed photos that someone at musicman looked at and paste in the full text of the reply they sent? Did the musicman representative actually use the word "kosher"? What marks / text / numbers are on the back of the headstock? Are there extra holes to indicate that the (probably not schaller BML type) tuners are not the original ones? How does the truss rod adjust? How many mounting holes are in the heel of the neck? From the pics posted, the neck does not look right but the pics are not very good. Better pics may show it in a much better or much worse light. i.e. Either the neck is genuine and worth several hundred quid on its own (in which case I and a few others here will eat humble pie) or the "kosher" line is shown to be untrue.

Apart from the lie regarding the neck, the title is still unacceptable even with the word 'copy' thrown in. It is against ebays rules to use a brand name in the title to describe a product which is not made by that manufacturer. Thats why I never sell cheap Hoovers, Sellotape, Biros and Kleenex

Don't think there's anything weird going on - its free listings this weekend, so these listings are probably have been put up quicky as placeholders until he has time to get pics & write some copy.

Anyone a regular on the musicman forum? I'm sure 'Big Poppa' on there would be pleased to confirm the authenticity of the neck.

I went to a shop with money in my pocket ready to buy the one they had in stock. I had been gassing for it since I had seen it on my previous visit and loved how it looked. When I tried it however - it was heavier than my '81 "QE2 anchor" heavy-ash precision, It had hardly any volume acoustically and the bridge saddle was fixed, so changing to a set of TIs could possibly have resulted in way-off intonation. I went home with the money still in my pocket and no regrets.

I think the HiMass is basically musch the same as a Gotoh. I had a Gotoh originally when I built my fretless precision, but swapped it out as I preferred the punch you get with a BBOT. I did a dry run without drilling (blutak) and tried putting a bridge cover on - it will fit, but the screwholes will need to be between a quarter and half an inch further back than for a BBOT. With the screwholes in the normal places it definitely won't fit. With the holes moved back, you should easily still have enough room that the front of the bridge doesn't play peek-a-boo out from the front of the cover.

Just looked it up on their website - looks like a bargain at that price

[quote name='Lozz196' post='1256430' date='Jun 4 2011, 01:13 PM']Brandoni Guitars apparently do a fairly decent one.[/quote] I've built a Telecaster guitar & a fretless Precison bass from Brandoni Parts - Necks & bodies seem to be of a quality equivalent to my MIJ Fenders.

[quote name='gjones' post='1256083' date='Jun 3 2011, 11:50 PM']...because Mr Fender obviously though it was needed to keep the scratchplate down. In the eighties they realised it was unnecessry[/quote] Not quite how it was. The pickguard material used in the 60s was prone to warping, so without the hole, the guard could lift in this area. The cheaper modern material they used in the 80s was more stable.

I use routenote.com - it's easy & gets the tracks on amazon and a few other sites as well

Standard for 60s & 70s Jazzes - its probably just to keep it flat as the old celluloid ones were prone to warp

Not sure I'd want to listen to one of their tracks let alone 20. I still haven't forgiven them for that brief period where it seemed that dreadful ruby song seemed to be played everywhere I went. Novel concept, but why not just offer the lot for £15 and save all the farting about?

[url="http://www.usacustomguitars.com/"]http://www.usacustomguitars.com/[/url]

Absolutely ridiculous He must be having a joke at the expense of wealthy idiots with cloth ears.

I the cellar still part of the music ground empire? or have they unloaded it to someone who might give a toss? For me Wunjo was the only place I ever felt comfortable in browsing to kill time in Tin Pan Alley.

[quote name='Rick's Fine '52' post='1253333' date='Jun 1 2011, 11:33 PM']Thats nothing, if you're talking about unneccessary holes destroying a fine bass, take a look at the pics this guy has on this ad... [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1956-Fender-Precision-Bass-Vintage-Sunburst-Tone-Mojo-/120659323512?pt=Guitar&hash=item1c17db2a78"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1956-Fender-Precisio...=item1c17db2a78[/url] Makes you cry!![/quote]

The last foto-flame I saw was a cherryburst jazz in a well known purveyor of quality basses quite a few years back. It was very nice, but the previous owner had had it converted to fretless and his right forearm had worn the finish & the flame right through to reveal a creditcard sized patch of very plain anaemic basswood underneath.

when I was young I used to like Heinz ravioli. wouldn't eat it now though - I dread to think what that mushy meat filling is actually made of. I love the look of the epiphone, but unless there is a simple way of plugging the f holes I wouldn't consider getting one for gigging unless it was for a low volume/acoustic band

[quote name='eParrot' post='1250804' date='May 30 2011, 09:14 PM']...but then I saw this 'American Special' thing with a 'unique feature' in the form of a new 'slim', fast action neck.[/quote] not sure how what would work

I have to wonder what the other basses were like if the kay was the best of the bunch. All the kays I had the misfortune to play in the 70s awful planks. I think the necks were made out of old railway sleepers. If you must have one, set up an alert on ebay and an email alert will appear in your inbox before too long.

In my experience Badass on a Jazz = Good Badass on a Precision = Not Good