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[quote name='Tait' post='1193827' date='Apr 9 2011, 03:11 PM']See, I disagree with this. I'd say my Taitycaster or my Ibanez are more valuable to me than they are to you. My Taitycaster is a custom, unique to me, and I've had my Ibanez pretty much since I started playing. But you don't care about that, all you see is one custom bass and one slightly worn Ibanez. Now, I'm not saying that I should ask for more because of this, because it isn't worth more. I'm simply questioning the difference between value and price.[/quote] That's just plain semantics bud. Sentimental value and market value are two entirely different things.

[quote name='obbm' post='1193591' date='Apr 9 2011, 10:32 AM']Sounds to me like its the mains transformer. A picture would help.[/quote] Sounds like it. If it's heavy as fook then that's it.

When removing the decal you will inevitably end up cutting through to the wood in key areas, if you ignore this and go ahead and apply more lacquer without fully prepping the area you will end up with uneven blotches and tide-marks in the finish not only because of how the wood reacts to different finishes but because all clear lacquers are not in fact clear but are idiosyncratically coloured.

It's the difference between getting the job done and getting the job done right.

Np

Relisted for... ... £200 opening.

You have to take it back to the wood. Make sure you get it all off as any little patches will show up a different colour once you get your lacquer on.

[quote name='tommorichards' post='1192510' date='Apr 8 2011, 04:40 AM']Just a couple pictures, like a picture of it out of the hole, next to the hole, the hole in the bridge for it, close up of the brass insert. Im just a curious fellow.[/quote] Here's mine with an anchor bolt removed - you can see down into the brass insert under the bridge. And here is a stripped body of a SUB which shows the size of the holes involved (it may also be of interest to the OP as an example of what may lie beneath his solid finish) Hope this helps.

[quote name='dlloyd' post='1192595' date='Apr 8 2011, 09:11 AM']A couple of scenarios come to mind regarding outing "overpriced" instruments. Let's take Stingrays, which apparently have a market value of £800 now. Say I see one in translucent white listed at £900... I listed mine for £750 and ended up selling for £600 a few years ago. I've seen loads of them go for less... okay I haven't been looking at the for sale section for a while so don't really know what they've been going for recently but, I'm going to state my opinion because, damnit, justice must prevail... to a newbie, I might look like I know something they don't... Maybe I do know something they don't and know that trans white is pretty rare and is certainly worth £100 on top of market value... but maybe I want it a bit cheaper and have no scruples... maybe if I sow an element of doubt in prospective buyers' minds, the buyer might be forced to sell for less... hey, I could even put a fake listing of a similar looking bass for £700 on Craigs List and mention it in the thread...[/quote] (I knew I should have said [b]up to[/b] £800 ) If things were different (like back when we were able to self police on this matter without going over the top) and you did chip in and say your bit (or initiate a Craigs List scam), then by the same token someone with a differing opinion would have the right to chip in their 2p too and your noob would have multiple sides of the argument to make an informed decision with. Forcing it to PM doesn't help as you would be able to pull the same sh*t only it will go unchallenged. The "new button it rule" while it keeping a civil air in the FS section and creating less of work for the mods will ultimately result in us seeing less and less "Basschat prices" instead as openly discussing prices in the FS section dissipates, all prices will graduate to eBay prices as that will be the main point of reference.... and we'll have only ourselves to blame.

[quote name='Muzz' post='1192548' date='Apr 8 2011, 08:11 AM']I'd incline to the position that as this place is set up differently (as a 'community') from EBay, then the usual 'caveat emptor', 'it's worth what it's worth to the seller' type of stuff, while obviously being the sensible fallback position, really doesn't sit too well - there are new people on here all the time, drawn by the friendly, informative, helpful and knowledgeable (not to mention the entertainingly opinionated) types, so the odd (and it really is the odd) stinger of an asking price benefits from the camouflage of the false sense of security which the site can promote. A lot of people on here are well up on current 'market prices', but that isn't everyone, and it'd be a shame to think someone on here might still get ripped off. A good example is with the (very, very occasional) blatant non-delivery/inaccurate description/faulty goods issues, which on here become a ten-page thread of outrage, and in some cases get to involve several people co-operating ot help the 'victim' - you wouldn't see (or indeed expect) that on Ebay, so I'd suggest the rules here are, and I'd hope wanted to be, different. Oh, and Rich, if I was you, I'd leave out the 'excellent' in describing your Wal and go with 'she's a 30 year old bass and has all the normal stuff you'd expect a 30 year old bass to have... a bit of lacquer crazing on the body, tiny bit of buckle rash, couple of minor dings, that sort of stuff.' You're not paying by the word, you know... [/quote] Yep this is what I'm on about. +1 Also to Rich : how is it fair or even accurate to describe (to stick with your example) a "lived in" 30 year old bass as being in excellent condition when compared to a bass that's been in someone's uncle's attic for the last 30 years it clearly isn't. To me it just comes across as Del Boy spin and subsequently gets filed in the "to be avoided" bin. Why not just stick to the facts and describe stuff as you'd like it described to you if you were the buyer. I mean you could say things like "surprisingly good for it's age" (which while subjective, avoids a definitive such as "excellent") and go on to list any points which may be of concern and everyone gets an accurate picture if the bass and you come across as a good guy.

[quote name='tommorichards' post='1192504' date='Apr 8 2011, 04:05 AM']You know of any pictures? Any details into the process?[/quote] I could take pics of my own if you'd like. What details do you need to know like?

[quote name='northstreet' post='1192349' date='Apr 7 2011, 10:08 PM']So who gets to decide the 'right' price ([b]note, not value, that's a very different discussion[/b]) of an item: the seller, the buyer, or the aggregated opinion of all the members of this forum?[/quote] But is it? I think what we are discussing here is the disparity between the two. The price is the thing that most of us agree is up to the seller to set - delusional or otherwise it is their right. The value is the figure that the majority (hopefully including the seller if they have their feet firmly planted on terra firma) has in their head. The current market value is achieved only once a precedence has been set. Remember when Stingrays were changing hands for as little as £550 that was the then market value now it's back up to £800 for the exact same basses - no one's getting robbed because the increase was gradual, many basses have been sold and a precedence has been set. This tired old rhetoric that an item is "worth" what someone is prepared to pay for it has changed over time from a twee bit of zen to an authoritative excuse to get playful with the figures and reel in the less knowledgeable (notice how it only gets used when the price is [b]above[/b] the perceived market value). Of course maybe the person setting the price is less knowledgeable themselves or simply unaware of the current market value too. Which is why [b]as a community[/b] I feel we have a duty to protect each other from this "error"...... but that's against the rules now. (though I understand why) But I'm not even sure how much of a community we have going in the FS section anymore, especially when you see the amount of spin people are willing to include in their ads. One example pointed out to me today was a bass being sold that has been damaged, but in the listing the seller had spoken to "someone" who had said that it could be repaired for the poultry sum of "x amount" while this makes the ad look inviting and I'm sure you could pay someone "x amount" to do the work, what kind of a repair will you get for that? A sh*t one not in keeping with the rest of the bass. It would be much more community minded if the seller just got it repaired themselves then came back and sold it... or (and here's the rub) tell the truth up front and admit that it would cost a fair bit more to repair it properly or not even mention it in the first place. Also I've noticed sneaking into ads is the concept of the "excellent condition player's bass". [i]"In excellent condition... except for a few dings which don't affect the playability"[/i] or [i]"In excellent condition... but showing showing the usual signs of wear for a bass of this age". [/i] It's either in excellent condition (mint) or it's fooking not. Either way someone will be happy to have it.... but only if it is advertised honestly for it's suitable market.

[quote name='tommorichards' post='1192476' date='Apr 8 2011, 01:33 AM']If you're planning on taking it apart, can you show some pictures of the 2 side posts on the bridge. I have no idea of why they are there. Or if anyone can answer that for me, id be grateful, as im not sure if those posts are massive screws, or simply decorative.[/quote] Those anchor bolts you're on about screw down into threaded brass inserts - a sort of belt and braces approach to holding the bridge down... which afaic contribute to the illusive 'ray tone.

[quote name='dougie' post='1192190' date='Apr 7 2011, 08:04 PM']weehayyyyyyyyyyy bloody Aberdonians.[/quote]

[quote name='wal4string' post='1192172' date='Apr 7 2011, 07:48 PM']Not bothered about the loss in value. And I do realise the figuring may not be very good. Tried trading the two basses in the image above for a Natural Stingray, the Sandberg and Stingray, with hopefully a bit of cash my way to make up the shortfall in value, but as yet no takers. Tell me what is the make of your Gig Bag? Not seen one like that.[/quote] Sorry I don't know the make of it, there's no labels and I've never even seen another like it. I bought it a few years ago from a guy off here for the SUB I had at the time, then later on by chance bought my 'ray off the same guy, sold the SUB and kept the case for my 'ray. Later when I was looking up past owners of my 'ray I realised it was originally the case that went with my 'ray and I'd unwittingly reunited them. It's a wicked case - incredibly light (I think it's constructed with some sort of dense polystyrene) yet totally strong. You know the instant you hit it with sandpaper a natural one will come up on here. btw I saw your 2 for 1 offer. You'd have more success just going for a straight sawp - your black/maple/2eq (arguably the most popular combo ever) for a natural 'ray. As it is you are limiting your options by trying to get someone to part with money and end up with potentially one bass they don't want/need.

It looks a little like one of these.

Just a wee headsup to anyone wanting a de-fret and finish (maple infills) done on their SRs (or any other bass for that matter), shoot me a PM for details.

It may look somewhat like mine (which has a bit more figuring than some)... .. or it could look quite plain. But you do realise you will be knocking a couple of hundred quid of it's value.

[quote name='LawrenceH' post='1190794' date='Apr 6 2011, 06:30 PM']You should hear how loud my bass is when I take the pickups right out But it does seem to change the tonal balance on top of the volume drop in my experience[/quote]

It certainly sounds like something you'd read on here..... utter tosh. The closest I can think is that if you set the pup height too close to the string the magnetic attraction on the string can stifle the vibrations. Generally pup height should be around 4-5mm away from the string while it is fretted at the upper frets (20,21,24) depending on your style of "attack". Lowering it too far will just make it quieter.

[quote name='waynepunkdude' post='1190281' date='Apr 6 2011, 11:14 AM']I have ordered a re-pro it's just a little annoying.[/quote] You're probably Just as well. People have a tendency not to look after their psu leads (at the connector end) and they turn out to be a PITA and you have get a new one anyways.

If it didn't mention one in the listing then you cross your fingers and hope, you certainly shouldn't expect one..... it's nice when they do turn up with one though.

It puts me mind of this .... (wish there was a shorter clip)

Very nice. Great success.