stingrayPete1977

Daisy Dukes?

[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1498044285' post='3322164'] I've never got this idea that instruments need to "cut through" the mix. IMO the only things that need to cut through are the lead vocals, and possibly any instrument carrying the main melody of the song when there are no vocals. Everything else should fit together to form a coherent and balanced sound. [/quote] Exactly so a muse style song with heavily processed bass needs to cut through to carry the melody, even the pro bands struggle to achieve it sometimes so a multi band gig in the tickled trout are always going to struggle ime, I'd probably rather hear the songs with a couple of bass sounds that might not be as epic as they are at rehearsal than not hear the bass at all, or an overly loud fuzz from the stage because the backline has been cranked above the foh.

[quote name='cheddatom' timestamp='1498044390' post='3322165'] I'm using pitch shifting, delays, fuzz, wah etc. it's just not an option to give the soundman a totally clean DI. Obviously if you've never used anything but a straight clean bass sound this might sound weird but try to imagine Muse or Royal Blood with a straight clean DI to the desk [/quote] I used to use a zoom fx back in the day with auto wah,fazer,fuzz etc the results varied from venue to venue, often there just wasn't time to alter the gain and settings for each patch to suit each gig.

[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1498044144' post='3322162'] If the band has spent the time in the rehearsal room fine-tuning the individual sounds of the instruments, so that they form a coherent mix then all the sound engineer needs to do is make everything louder (if required depending on the overall gig volume). That way any EQ on the desk should be just to compensate for the characteristics of the PA speakers. [/quote] Every room has totally different characteristics, you can't always set up where you want, different band members use different kit to suit the venue size, hollow stage and an empty room or a packed marquee, if it was as easy as you say we wouldn't need a sound crew, just a master volume knob!

Probably nail varnish, lol.

Fwiw I'd say keys have it just as bad as us, one song they sound great and cut through just nice, the next one they are just a weird phazey mush.

I'd say they are still operating in the frequency area that is easier to get out front to the audience even if it's a horrible sound, I know that's not what you want to hear, you want to point out about mics for guitarists rather than crap Di boxes but that's life, chances are if there's two minutes to spare to run the fx pedals through the foh the guitarist will get them, you might get time for a clean and a dirty each if your lucky, 150 presets that all sound great in the practice room, nah forget it

[quote name='cheddatom' timestamp='1497963882' post='3321641'] I quite agree, but we all know what the phrase means and I don't know what else to say instead. I didn't mean a bland bass sound, but I did mean "every day" or "common" [/quote] The way I see it is that a good old fashioned vanilla sound that everyone out front can enjoy is better than a salted caramel with hand twirled toffee sauce that can only be enjoyed by the player and maybe the front row, there's nothing worse than seeing a band with a generic but great bass sound then on the third song he applies "his sound" with the pedal board or whatever never to be heard again Flea is the worst person for it and I presume he and his crew know a thing or two, how a sound guy at a festival is going to keep up with all your patches that he's never heard before with a fifteen minute band change over I'll never know but hey it's "your sound"

There's always the issue of the situation too, a 40 minute slot on a multi band line-up might be fine for your drummer to thump away for the set, two one and a half hour sets for a function band with a fairly quiet smallish kick drum might benefit from a little help? Bassists like a bit of head room, why shouldn't the drummer get any?

I've found that weird distortion thing along with the phase cancellation you get with jazz basses with both pups on full, could be normal imo.

A P bass body with a humbucker quite near the bridge and high mass bridge, I've seen something similar before somewhere......

Ok it might not sound like your about to be world beating CD you've just recorded but some of the best live bass mixes I've heard for multi band gigs have been from a clean di box before the amp input, why people still think a £350 bass head will sound better than a £7000 digital mixing desk I'm not sure?

I agree unless you know how to set the post you could ruin the bass, it might need a new post that's a touch longer or the existing one putting in a different place to where it was if it's fallen out? It shouldn't cost that much even with a new post fitted bespoke to your bass, good luck!

[quote name='SpondonBassed' timestamp='1497459640' post='3318377'] Would you extend that offer to other Basschatters in your locality too? Where are you? [/quote] I'll collect you on the way if it's in that direction

[quote name='lowhand_mike' timestamp='1497458470' post='3318362'] nice, thats how the classic 5's scratch plate should look not that weird shape they have, definately prefer the look of the sub 5 [/quote] The classic5 has the normal body and scratch plate

The 320 was once on sale and being purchased for over £700, I was still happy with mine at a bargain £550 with a used fitted hard case that had been part of a previous part exchange deal.

[quote name='Patster1969' timestamp='1497455993' post='3318338'] Also noticed that during the Mastodon set, it took them ages to figure out where to point the camera when Brann was singing - they kept moving the camera shot to Troy, Brent & Brian and couldn't work out why none of them were singing. Eventually they found him ) [/quote] I remember watching Ash at the NEC supporting The Darkness years ago, the cameras were filming Tim's stationary fingers for the first few solos until they realised it was Charlotte Hatherly in charge of the shredding bits! A girl playing lead whatever next?

It's crazy to think the only alternative to the sub 5 is the classic five for well over two grand new, massive bargain!

[quote name='The59Sound' timestamp='1497383322' post='3317768'] I can send you a ticket for free if you would like? [/quote] An approximate location would be good?

Funkalicous!

No idea but it's nice!

We hire an empty room once a year where we test everything at gig volume and I PAT test all the kit first, if we iron out any musical problems during that it's seen as a bonus. Each to their own at the end of the day, personally I wouldn't play in a band that practices at front of house gig volume as the norm.

[quote name='The59Sound' timestamp='1497360461' post='3317520'] What is your point? Maybe you should come to one of our gigs and actually see us live. [/quote] Got any band links, youtube, website etc? As others have pointed out a practice is to learn the parts and fix any issues none of which can be done at high volumes. I've got a mate that plays in a loud band (I'd be amazed if your band isn't too loud live if you rehearse at that volume) and the last time I watched them I told them to turn down, they said "it's rock, it's got to be loud!" , maybe but I could see the people holding they're ears before leaving after a few songs, there's nothing wrong with the band either. You've obviously decided that it works for you and aren't going to take any constructive criticism or advice from anyone here so I'll leave you to it.

[quote name='PaulWarning' timestamp='1497363964' post='3317552'] bloody hell you must have had a hell of a paper round to afford that sort of gear as a 12 year old [/quote] Standard rehearsal room kit where I live.

The last decent outdoor mix I heard was Metalica at the Milton Keynes bowl in 1993.