dave_bass5 Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Im not sure i saw this in the new MB products press release but its now on their website. I know it probably wont deliver exactly 1200watss but its still going to be one loud head. I just wonder who would have a need for it. [url="http://www.markbass.it/products.php?lingua=en&cat=1&vedi=100"]MarkBass SD 1200[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexclaber Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 It'll only be about 4dB louder than an LMII. Note that 10dB louder is twice as loud so it's like going from a car that can cruise at 60mph to one that can cruise at ~80mph. To continue the analogy if the rest of your band and your typical gig requires you cruise at 70mph then you might like the improvement but if 50mph is all you need then there's no point. It will take a fairly substantial cab to handle that extra power though - would be nice with the Big One for instance - but most 4x10"s couldn't take advantage of the extra power. So if your current cab is limiting your loudness then a bigger amp won't help. Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 [quote name='alexclaber' post='440147' date='Mar 20 2009, 11:44 AM']It'll only be about 4dB louder than an LMII. Note that 10dB louder is twice as loud so it's like going from a car that can cruise at 60mph to one that can cruise at ~80mph. To continue the analogy if the rest of your band and your typical gig requires you cruise at 70mph then you might like the improvement but if 50mph is all you need then there's no point.[/quote] Alex, you crack me up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51m0n Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Cant imagine when you'd need that kind of grunt, we have PAs these days! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 No offence, by the way. I know you are trying to bring knowledge to the masses, Alex, but that post had me laughing out loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexclaber Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 [quote name='stevie' post='440163' date='Mar 20 2009, 11:54 AM']No offence, by the way. I know you are trying to bring knowledge to the masses, Alex, but that post had me laughing out loud. [/quote] Glad to be of service. Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_bass5 Posted March 20, 2009 Author Share Posted March 20, 2009 [quote name='stevie' post='440154' date='Mar 20 2009, 11:49 AM']Alex, you crack me up! [/quote] LOL, like a Bee to Honey. And no offence meant. Im not thinking of getting one of these as when i tried the SD800 out last year i didnt quite like the tone compared to my SA450 and LMII. I did find the SD800 had a bit more headroom though, certainly on the lower notes. Also it seemed to have a quicker response but not quite as warm. Also i dont need the extra volume although i am thinking of getting a LMIII800, maybe, mainly for the extra headroom i hope it will have and alos the minor updates. I was just wondering who would use/need one. I guess it cant hurt to have a louder amp, you dont have to run it flat out, but then why get something that costs this much if you dont have a need for it. Just having a slow day today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexclaber Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 [quote name='dave_bass5' post='440175' date='Mar 20 2009, 12:02 PM']Im not thinking of getting one of these as when i tried the SD800 out last year i didnt quite like the tone compared to my SA450 and LMII. I did find the SD800 had a bit more headroom though, certainly on the lower notes. Also it seemed to have a quicker response but not quite as warm. Also i dont need the extra volume although i am thinking of getting a LMIII800, maybe, mainly for the extra headroom i hope it will have and alos the minor updates.[/quote] The LMIII800 has the same power amp as the SD800 and as the preamps are near identical that's where the difference in tone lies. The extra headroom will be pointless, your cab can't do anything with that power. There, saved you ££££££! Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_bass5 Posted March 20, 2009 Author Share Posted March 20, 2009 [quote name='alexclaber' post='440179' date='Mar 20 2009, 12:05 PM']The LMIII800 has the same power amp as the SD800 and as the preamps are near identical that's where the difference in tone lies. The extra headroom will be pointless, your cab can't do anything with that power. There, saved you ££££££! Alex[/quote] Thanks Alex but you'll need to work a bit harder to save me "wasting" my money ;-). Im not after more volume as such but more breathing space for the notes, especially the lower ones if that makes any sense. But, if your right about the power section being the same as the SD800 then i might not bother and just go for a LMIII instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexclaber Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 [quote name='dave_bass5' post='440205' date='Mar 20 2009, 12:27 PM']Im not after more volume as such but more breathing space for the notes, especially the lower ones if that makes any sense.[/quote] My gut feeling is that would be trying to get something out that your cabs don't want to give. Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
escholl Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 pfff, 1200 watts. try one of [url="http://www.bugera-amps.com/EN/products/BTX36000.aspx"]these[/url] if you really want to...err...win? honestly, I can't figure out what the point of that is unless you have about 5 or 6 8x10's. Still, like I said in another thread, I bet it will be very popular in America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
largo Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 Is that you thinking of selling your SA450 Dave? ;0) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dood Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 [quote name='escholl' post='440571' date='Mar 20 2009, 07:23 PM']pfff, 1200 watts. try one of [url="http://www.bugera-amps.com/EN/products/BTX36000.aspx"]these[/url] if you really want to...err...win? honestly, I can't figure out what the point of that is unless you have about 5 or 6 8x10's. Still, like I said in another thread, I bet it will be very popular in America.[/quote] I've been very impressed with Powersoft Amplifiers. I sold my 1u unit recently. I'm raising the 'ridiculous output power' bar with a big grin. [url="http://pro-audio.powersoft.it/product_list.php?id_menu=271&obj=121"]http://pro-audio.powersoft.it/product_list...271&obj=121[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dood Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 p.s. I'd like an SD1200 ;o) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_bass5 Posted March 21, 2009 Author Share Posted March 21, 2009 [quote name='largo' post='441072' date='Mar 21 2009, 01:48 PM']Is that you thinking of selling your SA450 Dave? ;0)[/quote] Quite possibly but not till much later in the year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boneless Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 [url="http://www.bugera-amps.com/EN/products/BVP5500.aspx"]http://www.bugera-amps.com/EN/products/BVP5500.aspx[/url] Am I wrong or is it a SVT3PRO copy? (Just to be clear: I like copies ). It's got nearly the same layout as well, plus the valve preamp (4 valves, which look substantial anyway, looks interesting, actually a "true" valve preamp, if it's properly made, that is ), a 500W poweramp... So it's going to be uselessly quiet as well? *ducks* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
escholl Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 [quote name='dood' post='441083' date='Mar 21 2009, 02:08 PM']I've been very impressed with Powersoft Amplifiers. I sold my 1u unit recently. I'm raising the 'ridiculous output power' bar with a big grin. [url="http://pro-audio.powersoft.it/product_list.php?id_menu=271&obj=121"]http://pro-audio.powersoft.it/product_list...271&obj=121[/url] [/quote] Surely those are designed for sound reinforcement applications, and not individual instrument amplifiers? Still, if you ever feel the need to run about 25 4x10 cabs, and finally let the guitarists know what it feels like to always be drowned out, that'll be your amp. ^_^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve-soar Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 [quote name='alexclaber' post='440179' date='Mar 20 2009, 12:05 PM']The LMIII800 has the same power amp as the SD800 and as the preamps are near identical that's where the difference in tone lies. The extra headroom will be pointless, your cab can't do anything with that power. There, saved you ££££££! Alex[/quote]Says he, with a 3000 watt amp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musicman20 Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Who seriously needs 1200 Watts?! 200-300 tube watts is where its at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dood Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 [quote name='escholl' post='441633' date='Mar 22 2009, 01:16 PM']Surely those are designed for sound reinforcement applications, and not individual instrument amplifiers? Still, if you ever feel the need to run about 25 4x10 cabs, and finally let the guitarists know what it feels like to always be drowned out, that'll be your amp. ^_^[/quote] Yep, they make fantastic PA amplifiers, especially as you can rack them up in a reasonably small space. My Powersoft was a mere 1Kw per side.. and I did notice the benefit of having so much headroom available, especially as I use low tunings that need more power to be heard cleanly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umph Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 [quote name='Musicman20' post='441990' date='Mar 22 2009, 09:18 PM']Who seriously needs 1200 Watts?! 200-300 tube watts is where its at [/quote] or 1000 valve watts ;p [url="http://www.chambonino.com/construct/const13.html"]http://www.chambonino.com/construct/const13.html[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve-soar Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 [quote name='umph' post='463047' date='Apr 15 2009, 02:58 PM']or 1000 valve watts ;p [url="http://www.chambonino.com/construct/const13.html"]http://www.chambonino.com/construct/const13.html[/url][/quote]Wow, that really does something to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
escholl Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 [quote name='umph' post='463047' date='Apr 15 2009, 02:58 PM']or 1000 valve watts ;p [url="http://www.chambonino.com/construct/const13.html"]http://www.chambonino.com/construct/const13.html[/url][/quote] it seems like it would have been easier and more practical to use one of [url="http://www.cpii.com/docs/datasheets/78/3CX1000A7-8283.pdf"]these[/url], or something similar. of course, i use the word "practical" loosely. but if you're going to make something completely impractical, you might as well do it in style, right? i also like how he goes on about regulated high voltage supplies like that wasn't something which was conceived and developed years ago. still cool idea, i suppose. in theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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