Conan Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 [quote name='discreet' timestamp='1456242527' post='2986958'] I don't see why being 'less able' should preclude anyone from doing gigs. [/quote] I'm assuming he meant "less able-bodied" - but maybe not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_Bass Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 All this lightweight bashing is getting pretty worn out... FFS, everytime anybody starts a thread about Class-D/Neo gear it brings out an anti-lightweight angry mob armed with torches, pitchforks and banners with the word "HEFT" written... There's no better sound, there's no better gear, there's no better tone. Tone Nirvana is diferent for everybody and it's achievable from diferent bits of gear depending on personal taste and tonal preferences. I have an idea. Let´s try something new and turn the tables for a bit. Let me talk a bit about Valve Amps... Valve amps are cr*p! It's impossible to get a good clean tone from them. With the volume knob past 1 they start to distort and making farty noises, no definition and detail whatsoever. They are very expensive and require constant maintenance, wich is also expensive. They are big an bulky, are a pain in the b*t to carry and take too much storage space. Best way to carry them is to get an even bigger rack to store, thus adding to the total weight! Health problems normally come with them, normally back issues and hernias. They are very sensitive to active basses and are hard to get a great match with anything other than a Precision. Even though they are big and heavy they are the most sissy amps in the market, if you have the misfortune to knock one while going through a door or drop it just a few cm from the ground the valves pack up and you're left without an amp for you gig... So... will you burn me in a stick or can you see my reasoning? Of course i don't really feel this way about Valve or SS amps, i've had them, enjoyed them, played with them and settled with my current Class-D for my personal tonal preferences. I don't go on knocking everybody that starts a thread about Valve/SS amps just because "my gear is the best sound i've ever had so it has to be better than your gear"... My 2p. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 [quote name='Ghost_Bass' timestamp='1456246946' post='2987030'] All this lightweight bashing is getting pretty worn out... FFS, everytime anybody starts a thread about Class-D/Neo gear it brings out an anti-lightweight angry mob armed with torches, pitchforks and banners with the word "HEFT" written... There's no better sound, there's no better gear, there's no better tone. Tone Nirvana is diferent for everybody and it's achievable from diferent bits of gear depending on personal taste and tonal preferences. I have an idea. Let´s try something new and turn the tables for a bit. Let me talk a bit about Valve Amps... Valve amps are cr*p! It's impossible to get a good clean tone from them. With the volume knob past 1 they start to distort and making farty noises, no definition and detail whatsoever. They are very expensive and require constant maintenance, wich is also expensive. They are big an bulky, are a pain in the b*t to carry and take too much storage space. Best way to carry them is to get an even bigger rack to store, thus adding to the total weight! Health problems normally come with them, normally back issues and hernias. They are very sensitive to active basses and are hard to get a great match with anything other than a Precision. Even though they are big and heavy they are the most sissy amps in the market, if you have the misfortune to knock one while going through a door or drop it just a few cm from the ground the valves pack up and you're left without an amp for you gig... So... will you burn me in a stick or can you see my reasoning? Of course i don't really feel this way about Valve or SS amps, i've had them, enjoyed them, played with them and settled with my current Class-D for my personal tonal preferences. I don't go on knocking everybody that starts a thread about Valve/SS amps just because "my gear is the best sound i've ever had so it has to be better than your gear"... My 2p. [/quote] I think you should be relaxed about people's opinions, and have faith in your own :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_Bass Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 [quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1456247226' post='2987039'] I think you should be relaxed about people's opinions, and have faith in your own :-) [/quote] I'm a very tolerant person, believe me, i couldn't care less about what other people do or think. I'm just tired of having to scroll down the same old posts looking for some usefull info... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) [quote name='Ghost_Bass' timestamp='1456246946' post='2987030']... It's impossible to get a good clean tone from them. With the volume knob past 1 they start to distort and making farty noises, no definition and detail whatsoever.... [/quote] Ah. You've not played through a Hiwatt, then, eh..? You're right, though; they're heavy. Very heavy. Not so fragile in a flight case, but even heavier of course. Still, if one wants clean, to the roof, some folks find 'em worth lugging around. Edited February 23, 2016 by Dad3353 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 [quote name='Ghost_Bass' timestamp='1456248198' post='2987053'] I'm a very tolerant person, believe me, i couldn't care less about what other people do or think. I'm just tired of having to scroll down the same old posts looking for some usefull info... [/quote] Given how you feel, can I suggest it might have been wise to give a thread called '[i]Reasons for [b]not[/b] going micro?[/i]' a fairly wide berth..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 [quote name='Ghost_Bass' timestamp='1456248198' post='2987053'] I'm just tired of having to scroll down the same old posts looking for some useful info... [/quote] You won't find that here. Google is your friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_Bass Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 [quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1456248231' post='2987057'] Ah. You've not played through a Hiwatt, then, eh..? You're right, though; they're heavy. Very heavy. Not so fragile in a flight case, but even heavier of course. Still, if one wants clean, to the roof, some folks find 'em worth lugging around. [/quote] I believe you, don't know if you missed the point of my post or not but i was just putting things in another perspective for those who constantly defend the all mighty "heft". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_Bass Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 [quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1456248303' post='2987060'] Given how you feel, can I suggest it might have been wise to give a thread called '[i]Reasons for [b]not[/b] going micro?[/i]' a fairly wide berth..? [/quote] That's actually a good idea! Do you think my inbox will be filled with hate mail very fast? Can i get some extra storage space? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 [quote name='Ghost_Bass' timestamp='1456248404' post='2987064'] ...just putting things in another perspective for those who constantly defend the all mighty "heft". [/quote] I'll defend the almighty heft to my dying day, but you don't necessarily get it from all-valve amps exclusively. ...It's just a lot more likely, that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_Bass Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 [quote name='discreet' timestamp='1456248522' post='2987069'] I'll defend the almighty heft to my dying day, but you don't necessarily get it from all-valve amps exclusively. ...It's just a lot more likely, that's all. [/quote] I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 re: the repeated use of the word 'heft' - it's only used a lot 'cos there's no better word for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merton Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Heft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merton Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 It's a good word Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deksawyer Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) [quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1456248303' post='2987060'] Given how you feel, can I suggest it might have been wise to give a thread called '[i]Reasons for [b]not[/b] going micro?[/i]' a fairly wide berth..? [/quote] Ah, but - the thread title ends in a question mark. Here's my general pounds worth: Everyone is different, but for me, lifting my gear (no one else does) it has to be as light as sensibly possible. I've never had a valve bass amp and I don't think I ever will. That's my opinion though.....and it might change. I've had a few traditional solid state amps, and they've never been outrageously heavy. I've had few digital amps and they've all been good, even the Ashdown Superfly and the Subway D-800 is the pinnacle so far for me. That might change sometime as well.... If weight isn't a problem, then buy whatever you fancy. D. PS - and heft is a good word! Edited February 23, 2016 by deksawyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul h Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 I use a class D "Heft BH600". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 [quote name='deksawyer' timestamp='1456249006' post='2987078'] If weight isn't a problem, then buy whatever you fancy. [/quote] Weight is an issue for me, but I couldn't handle the (IMO) compromise. Yep, I'm playing for the audience, but I'm playing for me too. Thank flip the likes of the Walkabout and AG500 exist, otherwise I'd go a bit loopy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ghost_Bass Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Back OT, for me the only reason for not going micro is if you still haven't found one you like the sound. The same principle applies to every bit of kit you think about purchasing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ghost_Bass Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 This one is more apropriate to BC: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunburstjazz1967 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) Most of these coveted valve amps and old SS ones were crap when they were thrown to the back of garages or gathering dust in second hand shops in the 80s, where they are best left imo. Edited February 23, 2016 by sunburstjazz1967 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 [quote name='Ghost_Bass' timestamp='1456248404' post='2987064'] I believe you, don't know if you missed the point of my post or not but i was just putting things in another perspective for those who constantly defend the all mighty "heft". [/quote] No problem, it's just another excuse for posting a pic of our Hiwatt..! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_Bass Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 [quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1456249662' post='2987095'] No problem, it's just another excuse for posting a pic of our Hiwatt..! [/quote] Hahaha! Looks very pretty... and heavy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 [quote name='Ghost_Bass' timestamp='1456250047' post='2987102'] Looks very pretty... and heavy... [/quote] I bet it's hefty, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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