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Hey guys,
So, I'm guessing that this would be pretty easy to set up on a decent multi-effects unit, but I have an idea about a stand-alone effects pedal that (in theory) would give an infinite sustain type effect. Basically, a volume pedal and a delay pedal in one. I'm not too technical, so probably won't be butchering my pedals to try this out, but would work something like this:

The expression pedal would control both the volume and the feedback of the delay at the same time. As the volume swells in, the feedback increases up to infinite, so that once the volume swells to maximum, the delay will be sustaining the note for as long as you want. As the expression pedal is rolled back, so the volume and the feedback both decrease back to nothing (or a set feedback level).

At the moment, I'm using a volume pedal, delay and a EH Freeze in various combos to get this sort of effect but, I dunno, doesn't seem that complex to me...

Any tech-minded people out there want to shoot this down (or build me one)? Or does something like this exist somewhere already?

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Back in the dim and distant past Morley made an Echo Volume pedal, that you could control the number of repeats with the foot pedal. You couldn't simultaneously control the volume though, it was one or the other.

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Jon Shuker has successfully installed a sustainiac on a couple of basses.

[url="http://www.sustainiac.com/st-pro.htm#bass"]http://www.sustainia...st-pro.htm#bass[/url]

A feedback based delay type effect wouldn't be capable of handling different volumes of notes in a consistent way, The feedback threshold would work for some volumes of note but not the quieter ones. If you play too loud for some notes the effect could distort unpleasantly.

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[quote name='Dramatis Persona' timestamp='1379534053' post='2213937']
You can find an old HOG for cheap now.
[/quote] Where? I have seen some with patch switch pedal and expression pedals on ebay but they got for £250.

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[quote name='bakerster135' timestamp='1379601241' post='2214688']
I think Steve Lawson may be doing exactly what you're describing here!

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=e8Z_C_5s69w#t=126"]http://www.youtube.c...Z_C_5s69w#t=126[/url]
[/quote]

Exactly! Though I don't think I can afford one of those old Lexicons...

Think the discussion here has shown that there are ways of achieving this, but not really anything in one (relatively) compact unit...

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[quote name='Left Foot' timestamp='1379601689' post='2214698']
Where? I have seen some with patch switch pedal and expression pedals on ebay but they got for £250.
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In Italy actually an used HOG + Preset Switch is about 250 euros ( more or less 200 GBP), but the shipping is pricey, sh*tty postal service.

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[quote name='bakerster135' timestamp='1379601241' post='2214688']
I think Steve Lawson may be doing exactly what you're describing here!

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=e8Z_C_5s69w#t=126"]http://www.youtube.c...Z_C_5s69w#t=126[/url]
[/quote]

well spotted :)

Steve

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The EHX Freeze would do exactly this, as its purpose is to freeze a note indefinitely (minus the volume control - but you could put it in a loop with a volume pedal to get a similar effect). Would be a comparatively cheap solution as well.

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If there was something that did this, then I presume it would make a loop with some cross-fading at the ends of the loop to make it smooth, and perhaps some work would be undertaken to refine the quality of the loop, though even for a small variation in potential loop size, finding the best loop point can be computationally expensive, which might cause the pedal to stop and think before it starts playing the loop. Would it be used to capture short loops like a looper, or to sustain a single note/chord?

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[quote name='EskimoBassist' timestamp='1384017945' post='2271998']
The EHX Freeze would do exactly this, as its purpose is to freeze a note indefinitely (minus the volume control - but you could put it in a loop with a volume pedal to get a similar effect). Would be a comparatively cheap solution as well.
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Think you'd maybe need to mod the Freeze with a latching switch though, or be sat down!

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The Freeze is something I use a lot for this sort of thing already, but it would be nice to get the volume swell going as well.

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The Boss ME50b does what I think you're describing using its 'sound hold' function on the expression pedal? Seen a few going for not much money at all on here.

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