51m0n Posted January 10, 2013 Author Share Posted January 10, 2013 Well done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) [quote name='charic' timestamp='1357827188' post='1929064'] Lets see if [url="https://soundcloud.com/lurksalot/no-second-chance-again"]this [/url]works [/quote] That track is really quite quiet. Edit. Garry Edited January 10, 2013 by lowdown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charic Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Quite what? Or do you mean quiet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brensabre79 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Just stumbled upon this thread. Looks interesting! I'm a bit late to the party (and my studio is all packed up after house move) but I'll join in for the next one deffo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 [quote name='charic' timestamp='1357837332' post='1929349'] Quite what? Or do you mean quiet? [/quote] Quite quiet.... My phone rang right in the middle of me typing the message... Garry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurksalot Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 thanks for hekping with my links gents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 [quote name='charic' timestamp='1357837332' post='1929349'] Quite what? Or do you mean quiet? [/quote] Not sure why i was quoting you - It seems you were just the roadie for lurksalot. Garry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurksalot Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Oh , does that mean mine is a bit quiet , I did notice the others were a bit louder , but I used the K meter, does that affect the effect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51m0n Posted January 11, 2013 Author Share Posted January 11, 2013 It means you used the K-meter thing as I hoped everyone would. However I think we have all been a bit screwed by Soundcloud, from what I cna teel part of its 'processing' is to normalise the file for streaming purposes, and that may well have also been done to the file they store as well since downloading mine again it seems to be louder than what I uploaded initially - which seems very odd indeed! Not sure what else that processing has done. I am going to try an difnd the time to do a little research into alternatives to soundcloud, box.com and dropbox can both play mp3s directly, the big question is can they play wavs back directly too, if so they may well be a better alternative, but there may be file size limitations that make them not suitable for higher sample rate larger bit depth files (or they may not play them back streamed like that at all eithyer). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockfordStone Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 drop box can play wavs back i believe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding on K-Metering set up in this thread. Some folk using it [or intending to] might find it useful to go over the to website of Bob Katz. It is reasonably involved to work correctly if you don't know what you are doing [and i did not] I had a friend set it up for me - And i remember it involved downloading pink noise files, and monitor calibration. But i ain't no sound engineer, so might be talking bollox. Garry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skol303 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 [quote name='lowdown' timestamp='1357910387' post='1930400']There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding on K-Metering set up in this thread...[/quote] I've since tried but wasn't entirely sure what I was doing. It doesn't help that I can't set up the SPAN pug-in on my master bus as I can't use VSTs within Reason. Instead, I tried outputting my track as normal, loading it up in Reaper and applying the K-meter that way. I downloaded and ran Si's track through it as a 'control' test to see how the meter performed, and it was showing peaks way above zero (when set to K-14) which confused me! Hence I gave up and just outputted my track with minimal bus compression/maximization to preserve the dynamics and left it at that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51m0n Posted January 11, 2013 Author Share Posted January 11, 2013 Like I said I wasnt intending anyone to go through the whole 9 yards, just use a comparable meter for output on the render. The metering on different DAWs definitely can show different results IME. Having said that if you do try the whole Bob Katz approach, it wont hurt you mixes at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51m0n Posted January 11, 2013 Author Share Posted January 11, 2013 [quote name='Skol303' timestamp='1357912301' post='1930456'] I've since tried but wasn't entirely sure what I was doing. It doesn't help that I can't set up the SPAN pug-in on my master bus as I can't use VSTs within Reason. Instead, I tried outputting my track as normal, loading it up in Reaper and applying the K-meter that way. I downloaded and ran Si's track through it as a 'control' test to see how the meter performed, and it was showing peaks way above zero (when set to K-14) which confused me! Hence I gave up and just outputted my track with minimal bus compression/maximization to preserve the dynamics and left it at that... [/quote] Yes, it will do. At K-14 the 0 is effectively -14dbFs When using the full K-Metering concept you would set 0 on that meter to your acoustic 80dB at the listening point (ie where your ears our). Then if you go over 0 its because it got really loud there Like I've said before (and I rather wish I hadnt picked that meter, but something else that was available) it wasnt intended for people to have to learn the entire K-Metering system, just use a meter with the same algorithm behind it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skol303 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 (edited) [quote name='51m0n' timestamp='1357912524' post='1930463'] At K-14 the 0 is effectively -14dbFs[/quote] Ah, now I gotcha! That makes a whole new world of sense. Thanks Si ... explains why yours was peaking around 12-14db when I took a look at it. K-14 / -14dbFs. There's a clue there somewhere. Edited January 11, 2013 by Skol303 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51m0n Posted January 11, 2013 Author Share Posted January 11, 2013 (edited) Its almost like Bob thought this stuff through The reason to suggest K-Metering as a meter was that inexperience amongst us would be very unliket to get an over on their render that would ruin it. And the fact that K-Meters are supposed to have very precise ballistics so people (I would hope) would tend to get very similar results with them... Edited January 11, 2013 by 51m0n Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Some good reading here, although aimed at general broadcast levels. http://www.gearslutz.com/board/post-production-forum/107770-film-broadcast-levels.html EBU recommended levels. http://tech.ebu.ch/docs/r/r128.pdf Of course, for just slinging stuff up on SoundCloud, no fecking use what so ever.... Garry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51m0n Posted January 14, 2013 Author Share Posted January 14, 2013 (edited) OK heads up all of you who are interested, this evening I will generate the Poll in the first post in the thread. I will go through this thread, and find all the various links (that work) and put it all together in the poll. If there are any out of date mixes you dont want included then break the link, or if anyone is desperate to get another mix in then please do so asap. Ta Edited January 14, 2013 by 51m0n Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldG Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Removed an old link and put my current one [url="https://soundcloud.com/lucy-hastings/bc-mix-final"]here[/url] to save you time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockfordStone Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 for avoidance of confusion.. mine is here https://soundcloud.com/robslusarmusic/no-2nd-chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skol303 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 [quote name='51m0n' timestamp='1358160512' post='1933856']OK heads up all of you who are interested, this evening I will generate the Poll in the first post in the thread...[/quote] Nice one Si! I haven't had time to tinker with mine since I first uploaded it, so I'm happy for it to be entered as it stands: http://soundcloud.com/skol-mixes/second-chance-by-tacsi Well done for getting this whole mixing challenge rolling. It's early days, but I'm hoping this becomes a regular feature on BC. I've really enjoyed this first one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51m0n Posted January 14, 2013 Author Share Posted January 14, 2013 (edited) Hey it was [url="http://basschat.co.uk/user/969-butlerk02/"]butlerk02[/url]'s idea, I've just got a big mouth Edited January 14, 2013 by 51m0n Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butlerk02 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Thanks for sorting this all out Si, much appreciated. Here is my final submission - https://soundcloud.com/butlerk02/2nd-chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skol303 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 [quote name='51m0n' timestamp='1358171142' post='1934143']Hey it was [url="http://basschat.co.uk/user/969-butlerk02/"]butlerk02[/url]'s idea, I've just got a big mouth [/quote] Oops! Cheers to Butler too. Good work guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butlerk02 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Seeing as it was my idea to get this thing going, can i be cheeky and provide the tracks for the next tune? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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