mentalextra Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 In musical terms, what does it mean to "rake" and how does this differ from slide? Thanks in anticipation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubinga5 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 (edited) raking means dragging one finger on your right hand (if your right handed) to pluck notes.. a slide is a left handed technique(if your right handed) that lets you slide from one note to another, up or down.. there is no right or wrong technique, just what works for you.. but... walking with your fingers (index and middle finger) is the most efficient way of playing.. imo.. or you can go to multiple fingers just remember james jamerson played with one finger.. Edited October 27, 2012 by bubinga5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blademan_98 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 This is a good video: [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNAYIfITgpw"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNAYIfITgpw[/url] Scott Devine is a superb teacher (IMHO). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubinga5 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 you aint wrong blademan... he is superb... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mentalextra Posted October 27, 2012 Author Share Posted October 27, 2012 You can see where I have to rake on here hopefully? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndThenSome1 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 A great track to practice this is RHCP's Pretty Little Ditty, some nice movements around the fretboard whilst keeping the right hand raking the arpeggios... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mentalextra Posted October 27, 2012 Author Share Posted October 27, 2012 [quote name='AndThenSome1' timestamp='1351365715' post='1850629'] A great track to practice this is RHCP's Pretty Little Ditty, some nice movements around the fretboard whilst keeping the right hand raking the arpeggios... [/quote] ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blademan_98 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 [quote name='mentalextra' timestamp='1351365492' post='1850627'] You can see where I have to rake on here hopefully? [/quote] Yes, it is a simple rake on the open strings. Use Scotts technique as described in the video. It works but needs a little practice [attachment=122162:Rake.png] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussFM Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 If he was my teacher I'd have given up before I started! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisnameistaken Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Another good RHCP tune with a rake at the front of the bass riff is Mellowship Slinky in Bmaj. Try playing the first four notes in the main riff with one finger down all four strings. It's just a Bmaj chord up at the 6/7/7/5 frets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mentalextra Posted October 28, 2012 Author Share Posted October 28, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Blademan_98' timestamp='1351371476' post='1850669'] Yes, it is a simple rake on the open strings. Use Scotts technique as described in the video. It works but needs a little practice [attachment=122162:Rake.png] [/quote][quote name='Blademan_98' timestamp='1351371476' post='1850669'] Yes, it is a simple rake on the open strings. Use Scotts technique as described in the video. It works but needs a little practice [attachment=122162:Rake.png] [/quote] Dont mean to sound like an idiot, by where in the video is the "raking" bit. He is running through some scale exercises and bangs on about right hand technique? I cant see how that applies to my op? Edited October 28, 2012 by mentalextra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeptrying Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 In the video Scott plucks from the E string to the G then rakes back to the E string, its just a more efficient way to play, you probably already do it without realising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete.young Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 I couldn't get past the left hand glove with the missing finger. What is all that about? The exercise is a bit contrived - I can play that just as fast using alternate index/middle all the way through without any rakes. The one in 'Sensitive' makes a bit more sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blademan_98 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 (edited) [quote name='mentalextra' timestamp='1351420634' post='1850934'] Dont mean to sound like an idiot, by where in the video is the "raking" bit. He is running through some scale exercises and bangs on about right hand technique? I cant see how that applies to my op? [/quote] At around 9 minutes he does a practical demonstration of a rake. It is a plucking hand technique and nothing to do with slides at all. Edited October 28, 2012 by Blademan_98 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blademan_98 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 [quote name='pete.young' timestamp='1351424473' post='1850986'] I couldn't get past the left hand glove with the missing finger. What is all that about? The exercise is a bit contrived - I can play that just as fast using alternate index/middle all the way through without any rakes. The one in 'Sensitive' makes a bit more sense. [/quote] Hi Pete! I think the video is for those who are maybe just starting out (I use his videos if I am not sure of a technique). The rake is fairly simple so he only brushes over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeptrying Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 [quote name='pete.young' timestamp='1351424473' post='1850986'] I couldn't get past the left hand glove with the missing finger. What is all that about? The exercise is a bit contrived - I can play that just as fast using alternate index/middle all the way through without any rakes. The one in 'Sensitive' makes a bit more sense. [/quote] Scott suffers from focal dystonia, he gives a full explanation on his website, (tried to put a link here but couldn't get it to work) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTUK Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 A rake is when you pull the striking RH fingers up across 3, 4 5 etc strings. Mostly effective across 3 , IMO If you want to go up a scale, you can incorporate a flamenco type strum depnding om how many RH fingers you wont to use. Many players will use the idea with their thumb to get a fast ascending triplet and you need to sort out your damping as you don't want really live strings, IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mentalextra Posted October 28, 2012 Author Share Posted October 28, 2012 [quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1351435400' post='1851144'] A rake is when you pull the striking RH fingers up across 3, 4 5 etc strings. Mostly effective across 3 , IMO If you want to go up a scale, you can incorporate a flamenco type strum depnding om how many RH fingers you wont to use. Many players will use the idea with their thumb to get a fast ascending triplet and you need to sort out your damping as you don't want really live strings, IMO [/quote] OK....but! Again, looking at my sample phrase. I play GDAE open strings. What is the difference in sound from playing my 4 open strings in an ordinary fashion to 'raking' 4 open strings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blademan_98 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Probably nothing It's just a technique to aid in speed and keeping finger position. Or you can use your thumb I often play a rake with my thumb nail but as JTUK says, you need to sort your damping out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTUK Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 You couldn't do it in practical terms...as you would have to mute with the LH pdq....which you would have to write and the notes would make no real sense. To use raking, you really are going for very fast muted notes and open strings would complicate it to a degree that it wouldn't be worth doing. IIRC Billy Sheehan covers raking very well in a video... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTUK Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okBPsjjvAz0"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okBPsjjvAz0[/url] from 4.41 is useful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfalex v1.1 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 I rake quite a lot! I can play passages with alternating finger strokes, but with rakes and the odd hammer-on from my plucking hand, it's much more economical, particularly in fast passages. As for ascending (in terms of pitch) raking, I often use the side of my fore finger, as it leaves my thumb free for damping or the odd percussive stroke (!) whilst leaving my middle finger ready for what's coming next... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
risingson Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Raking made it into my technique without me even really noticing. James Jamerson did it a lot, or at least a kind of rake where he'd follow through an open onto a fretted string below, presumably a way of tying together parts as he only ever played with his index finger on his right hand. It's really handy to have the ability to offer a phrase in a different way like that for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popoctave Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 [quote name='mentalextra' timestamp='1351365492' post='1850627'] You can see where I have to rake on here hopefully? [/quote] It's just goin up and down the strings one after another Karn plays fretless as well which does help a bit getting round the fretboard I think, crackin player his early Japan stuff is knockout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popoctave Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Bloody hell just googled Karn after this thread I didn't know he died aged 52 of cancer last year.....on my Birthday aswell, where have I been man...really quite gutted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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