0175westwood29 Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 looks like im gonna be changing to a full markbass rig need to downsize my rig a tad and also make it an easier lift as im now keeping my rig at home and the 610 is a pain to get up and down the stair every time. im looking at eventually getting a couple of 410's not sure what type to get tho as i can't find any videos on the markbass site. im guessing there must be a big difference in the sound as otherwise they'd just sell one or the other, so any owners out there want to give me a quick review? the next question is obviously unless i somehow manage to blag a lm800,sd800 or sd1200 head on a serious bargin ill probs be looking at running a single 410 with probs an lm3/lmtube500 at 300w. people think this will be loud enough for a 4 piece rock/punk band? i had an lm2 about 2 years ago but i ran that through my ampeg and that 4 ohms so it was 500w and it was fine but obviously the 610 moves alot of air and its 200w more! ive also seen alot of people just getting 2 210's but i think the single 210 alone in my situation just wont do it, even tho i have read they are quite loud! just looking for your views guys. andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 I played in a 4 piece rock band (singer/guitarist, noodle guitarist, shed builder & me on bass) & had no trouble being heard & that's from a Markbass 2x10 combo. They're rather loud & quite a few venues said that we was one of the loudest bands they've ever had. If you're up this way you're welcome to try it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0175westwood29 Posted June 5, 2012 Author Share Posted June 5, 2012 yeh exactly and the videos on youtube from namm use words like tighter and warmer etc, was looking for a better description! yeh i kinda tend to ignore watts after i had a ampeg pro-6 that was meant to be 1000w! and felt more like 400! but thats good to hear! andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime_BASS Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 (edited) I have just finished a review in the review section of the Traveller 2x10. Personally if you feel you need more than one 4x10 then one 2x10 won't do you. My plan is to get another and stack vertically so the bass is closer to my ears so I'm not struggling with volume when stood essentially on top of it. It is still damn loud though on it's own. Front or rear ported??? The only benefit of rear port is the overall size of the box is smaller which makes a difference up and down stairs, but with something like a 4x10 rear ported I fear I would be managing the coupling situation far too much. The Traveller is rear ported and using coupling gives the sound a lot bigger feel than what it actually is. For me it's a down side as I don't need loads of bottom in the sound anyway. With a 4x10 I think it'll be worse as the cross talk between drivers coupled with the excessive boomy low's will make the cab very muddy, and being short aswell won't help it. If you are looking at a full markbass setup and need to be loud but with a managable load and sound then 2 of the ney york 2x12 stacked vertically will be plenty loud and very clear, although they only come in 4 ohms. Or 2 of either of the ney york or traveller 1x15's will be practically a good 8x10 volume wise but much clearer in the midrange, and they come with tweeters to add sparkle. Edit. 300 watts into any of th emarkbass range will kill anyone in the room but it depends if you want lots of headroom, thats all the bigger heads give you. Also the LM800 power amp section on really gives out just 600watts and that peak, in one unit that has been tested the continueous power (the actual number we need to be given) was lower than the 500watt of the smaller less expensive heads. The continous of the 500watt heads is just shy of 500, IIRC. Edited June 5, 2012 by Prime_BASS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 I often go to see a punk covers band, whose bassist uses a Markbass 310 Combo, and he gets a great sound, and is very audible in the mix, and there are never moments where the bass is lacking. Great amps Markbass, I`m yet to see a band where the bassist is using one, and I don`t like the sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 [quote name='Prime_BASS' timestamp='1338933776' post='1681460'] I have just finished a review in the review section of the Traveller 2x10. Personally if you feel you need more than one 4x10 then one 2x10 won't do you. My plan is to get another and stack vertically so the bass is closer to my ears so I'm not struggling with volume when stood essentially on top of it. It is still damn loud though on it's own. [/quote] The Traveller cabs are a trade off between portability & sound. The 102HF has a cab about twice the size & produces a good deal more bass, but at the expense of not being as portable as the 102 Traveller. Still doesn't stop the Traveller being a great little cab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorks5stringer Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 (edited) Just noticed on the Bass Gear Ltd site they have a Standard HR 410 and I've heard they do really good prices, if you are going for that combination. Edited June 5, 2012 by yorks5stringer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Fitzmaurice Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 The rear ported are that way because there's not enough room to fit them on the front. Larger box equals lower response with the same drivers used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pietruszka Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 I use the 410 HR, and it give stacks of bottom end, I actually prefered it to the HF, and by a long shot to. I also have the 210P and it gets used more than the 410 now purely for use-ability. And I drive a Micra! Both are loud and sound great. If you're in the north east of England, drop me a message and try them out. Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0175westwood29 Posted June 6, 2012 Author Share Posted June 6, 2012 [quote name='Prime_BASS' timestamp='1338933776' post='1681460'] I have just finished a review in the review section of the Traveller 2x10. Personally if you feel you need more than one 4x10 then one 2x10 won't do you. My plan is to get another and stack vertically so the bass is closer to my ears so I'm not struggling with volume when stood essentially on top of it. It is still damn loud though on it's own. Front or rear ported??? The only benefit of rear port is the overall size of the box is smaller which makes a difference up and down stairs, but with something like a 4x10 rear ported I fear I would be managing the coupling situation far too much. The Traveller is rear ported and using coupling gives the sound a lot bigger feel than what it actually is. For me it's a down side as I don't need loads of bottom in the sound anyway. With a 4x10 I think it'll be worse as the cross talk between drivers coupled with the excessive boomy low's will make the cab very muddy, and being short aswell won't help it. If you are looking at a full markbass setup and need to be loud but with a managable load and sound then 2 of the ney york 2x12 stacked vertically will be plenty loud and very clear, although they only come in 4 ohms. Or 2 of either of the ney york or traveller 1x15's will be practically a good 8x10 volume wise but much clearer in the midrange, and they come with tweeters to add sparkle. Edit. 300 watts into any of th emarkbass range will kill anyone in the room but it depends if you want lots of headroom, thats all the bigger heads give you. Also the LM800 power amp section on really gives out just 600watts and that peak, in one unit that has been tested the continueous power (the actual number we need to be given) was lower than the 500watt of the smaller less expensive heads. The continous of the 500watt heads is just shy of 500, IIRC. [/quote] when you say coupling what do you mean? andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0175westwood29 Posted June 6, 2012 Author Share Posted June 6, 2012 also id like to stick to 10's as thats just what i know! my 610 has a tweeter but i have that turned off. really may have to take my head up to the normal place i shop for my guitar stuff and try out a few of the markbass cabs! andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime_BASS Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Coupling effect you get from the cab being on the floor, next a wall in yst ctuiryytiurotrrnetr. Each flat surface gives you +3dB in the lows(IIRC correctly anywayand around 100hz i think aswell) which is the same as doubling the power...... If you go to barefacebass.com the archived columns go into it better than I can. I'm only saying it is something to watch outfor in some places as it can be boomy and horrible much of a sound, unless you want that deep soul/motown thing. Without asking or looking I'd say you want a tight and controlled bottom, which you can get with either front or rear port, but IMO front ported cabs are more managable when it comes to acoustics. Taller stacks with fewer speakers help clear up low mids I find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0175westwood29 Posted June 6, 2012 Author Share Posted June 6, 2012 [quote name='Prime_BASS' timestamp='1338979339' post='1681825'] Coupling effect you get from the cab being on the floor, next a wall in yst ctuiryytiurotrrnetr. Each flat surface gives you +3dB in the lows(IIRC correctly anywayand around 100hz i think aswell) which is the same as doubling the power...... If you go to barefacebass.com the archived columns go into it better than I can. I'm only saying it is something to watch outfor in some places as it can be boomy and horrible much of a sound, unless you want that deep soul/motown thing. Without asking or looking I'd say you want a tight and controlled bottom, which you can get with either front or rear port, but IMO front ported cabs are more managable when it comes to acoustics. Taller stacks with fewer speakers help clear up low mids I find. [/quote] got it in one dude! i like a nice deep clear bass, also just thinking my 610 is front ported so maybe the front ported markbass could be a good place to start! ah i see i understand what you mean by coupling now! well i am shoved in the corner at some smaller venues so maybe rear ports could cause a bit of a prob? andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Apparently you need about a 6-8 inch gap around the cab so that the rear port can radiate. All my cabs are rear ported and on some small stages that can cause problems for me. If I could I'd choose front ported cabs. Just takes away another hassle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0175westwood29 Posted June 6, 2012 Author Share Posted June 6, 2012 [quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1338980560' post='1681853'] Apparently you need about a 6-8 inch gap around the cab so that the rear port can radiate. All my cabs are rear ported and on some small stages that can cause problems for me. If I could I'd choose front ported cabs. Just takes away another hassle. [/quote] good point as i touched on above my cab has been tight up to the wall before, like you say front ported may a possilbe problem solved andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertbass Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 In theory there is no difference in sound between front ports and rear ports and if you're standing in front of your cab playing this is true. However, when I used a couple of rear ported 4x10s recently our drummer complained that the bass became so overpowering that he couldn't hear his foldback or the guitar in places. No difference in the amp setting though. I suspect that he was hearing the output of the ports where he'd never heard it before, but then again, he is a drummer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 [quote name='Prime_BASS' timestamp='1338979339' post='1681825'] Coupling effect you get from the cab being on the floor, next a wall in [b]yst ctuiryytiurotrrnetr[/b]. [/quote] I just don't understand this. What does it mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0175westwood29 Posted June 6, 2012 Author Share Posted June 6, 2012 [quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1338984676' post='1681924'] I just don't understand this. What does it mean? [/quote] yeh i kinda just ignored that bit? andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 [quote name='bertbass' timestamp='1338983404' post='1681900'] ....our drummer complained that the bass became so overpowering.... [/quote] I've heard of other drummers complaining about this this effect as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pietruszka Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 [quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1338987643' post='1681990'] I've heard of other drummers complaining about this this effect as well. [/quote] Yep, my drummer does exactly the same, I overcome this by putting either my gig bag or amp head case behind the cab. He says it makes a little bit of difference, not a massive difference but one none the less. Give it a try and see if your drummer prefers it. Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 [quote name='0175westwood29' timestamp='1338987611' post='1681989'] yeh i kinda just ignored that bit? andy [/quote] Maybe he's Welsh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0175westwood29 Posted June 6, 2012 Author Share Posted June 6, 2012 nah to short for welsh! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertbass Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 I've gone back to using my super duper refurbished 8x10 so the problem has gone away again. The 4x10s were only a stop gap as my 8x10 was looking seriously tatty. That was probably the drummers fault as well. No respect for equipment, not even his own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0175westwood29 Posted June 6, 2012 Author Share Posted June 6, 2012 just to add something else to this would 500w drive two of the 410's ok? as the cabs are rated 800w? and they only be getting 250w each? andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 [quote name='0175westwood29' timestamp='1338996515' post='1682143'] just to add something else to this would 500w drive two of the 410's ok? as the cabs are rated 800w? and they only be getting 250w each? andy [/quote] Don't worry about the watts, they have nothing to do with how loud it will go. If you're not sure, go & try some out. Still not sure why you're wanting 4x10s though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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