Bassassin Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 I'll butt back into this, as it's in danger of becoming a bitchfest (can we say "bitch"? Seems we can.) and state that really the point is that the filter here is the problem. I regularly use about 5 other boards which have profanity filtering - these either substitute vowels, or replace words with ****s, and work on a carefully & intelligently selected list of words, rather than what looks like random selections of letters within other words, selected by an educationally subnormal American with a predilection for gay porn! Joking aside - it's the nature of the filter in use here, rather than the fact there is one. I never gave it any consideration (and I don't think I swore, either) until it started mangling my PMs! Hopefully it'll be tweaked until it's workable, given time - or better, replaced by a less obtrusive, more language-sympathetic substitute. You girls can get back to your hair-pulling now. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete.young Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 [quote name='slaphappygarry' post='17208' date='Jun 13 2007, 09:07 PM']Do you not see the funny side of this?![/quote] I think it's hysterically funny that someone thinks it's a good idea to filter the substring 'ass' in a forum called basschat. [quote name='dood']Thats interesting, it hadn't occurred to me that if we have a site full of foul language it can be picked up by 'parental control' type software and web surfing URL blacklisters.[/quote] There's no doubt that it will get onto the blacklists though. The most obvious reason will be the 'chat' in 'basschat' , which will get flagged as a chat forum. The second reason will be that most sites which allow messages to be sent and recieved are blocked because they circumvent corporate email policies. The effect of the odd expletive is neither here nor there. Like other posters, I'm not in favour of the smartarse replacement strings. As Joe so elegantly pointed out, this has the potential to give more offence than the offending bon mot. If this filter has to stay, the censoring mechanism needs to make it absolutely plain that the changes were made by a filter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxblood Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 I'm in full accord with you, Pete, and you've provided some very enlightening info on the way that workplace control-freak systems operate. Stone me, I'm so glad I'm a freelance who works from home! If word filtering has to be implemented (which, in my opinion, it doesn't - but I've made that plain already), asterisks would be the only sensible form of substitution. Then, at least, our posts would stand less chance of turning into gibberish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slaphappygarry Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 we never intended to mess things up. Like we said, it cannot be done offline so we are experimenting still. G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_K Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 Gawdon Bennet! I'm not sure abaaaht da filter thin' - doesn't IPB allow da user ter select whether da filter is applied ter their viewing? I work in a bar fer goodness sake, I only 'ear words ov Roarf le'ers long! (You know.. Pint, wine, shot, nuts - obviously). OK? Sorry - But yes, I'd say that it needs to either be switchable for each user, or that the replacement terms are understandable to everyone without it being offensive. Maybe just Cockneys understand these terms, or all Londoners, maybe even everyone from England - but I certainly haven't the time or energy to decrypt some of the sentences appearing with a Cockney Rhyming Slang dictionary. Oh - And the gay thing gets my back up a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete.young Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 [quote name='Oxblood' post='18207' date='Jun 15 2007, 12:29 PM']I'm in full accord with you, Pete, and you've provided some very enlightening info on the way that workplace control-freak systems operate.[/quote] Aw shucks. Some more enlightened places, including the place where I work, is now switching off and unblocking many categories that were previously filtered. This is being done on the grounds that it's not the job of equipment provided to enforce a security policy to also enforce various acceptable-use and working policies on behalf of Human Resources or whatever they are called these days. There's also a lot of time wasted over false positives. My favourite was the for-sale section of the Mini owners club website, which got flagged under 'Criminal Skills' . Someone had seen the Italian Job too many times I think. A serious suggestion for the mods to consider: lots of forums and blogs have a button at the bottom of posts to report anything that you consider offensive. This to my mind will be a better way of alerting the moderators to real problem areas or users, though it will probably make more work. Whaddyathink? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasted Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 [quote name='pete.young' post='20626' date='Jun 20 2007, 10:26 AM']A serious suggestion for the mods to consider: lots of forums and blogs have a button at the bottom of posts to report anything that you consider offensive. This to my mind will be a better way of alerting the moderators to real problem areas or users, though it will probably make more work. Whaddyathink?[/quote] Sounds like a great idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldo Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 I think if the powers that be are trying to stop this site being flagged by website filters, maybe they should change the name of the 'Bass PORN' forum to something else? Just an idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxblood Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 [quote name='Waldo' post='20640' date='Jun 20 2007, 10:50 AM']I think if the powers that be are trying to stop this site being flagged by website filters, maybe they should change the name of the 'Bass PORN' forum to something else? Just an idea.[/quote] I was just thinking the very same thing.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasted Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 [quote name='phatmonkey' post='20642' date='Jun 20 2007, 10:51 AM']Look at the bottom of your posts, it already exists![/quote] My eyes! My eyes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete.young Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 [quote name='phatmonkey' post='20642' date='Jun 20 2007, 10:51 AM']Look at the bottom of your posts, it already exists![/quote] By jove, so it does! Must be about time for another eye test! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_K Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 [quote name='Toasted' post='20696' date='Jun 20 2007, 12:16 PM']My eyes! My eyes![/quote] [quote name='pete.young' post='20705' date='Jun 20 2007, 12:30 PM']By jove, so it does! Must be about time for another eye test![/quote] You sons of silly people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul, the Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 As far as I knew it was an unwritten rule not to swear. Generally, if I join a forum, I like to make a good impression and try not upset anyone, so I acted by example. In my opinion, a non-swearing forum is a happier forum and has a much better family atmosphere. Although, like in a PG movie, I think the odd curse in a non-aggressive way is fine. - I think this is the best way to be (and how basstalk was) because it's relaxed, sensible and trusting. There's always someone that acts excessively and unnecessarily though. But I don't think one person's negative actions should change the way the forum works - an edited/deleted thread and a explanatory PM is an amicable way of getting the point across in cases of unnecessary profanity, although this is subjective I know. I don't mind asterisks, I guess they get the point across. But I personally find the rhyming slang annoying and passively obtrusive. However, it makes for creative comical spoonerisms and replacements ala: "you better pucking feg it" ... or the Home Improvement inspired: "back the truck outta here". Anyway, it's not up to me. I just hope to see some Admin led polls in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutton Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 On the old BW forums I got well and truly burnt a couple of times for posting that I had been offended by some stuff. The mods also weighed in and so I accepted that if I was going to participate and gain the benefits of the forum then I had to accept things as they were. I now feel that we just have to accept each other and the way we put things in our posts. If anything got drastically out of hand then obviously a mod would intervene. What I found however is that many people didn't grasp why something would be offensive to an individual. Therefore, it would be too tedious to constantly be wondering what causes offense. So why don't we just see how we all get on and if anything gets too extreme then it will be obvious to all concerned. Just a few rambling thoughts from a former burnee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finnbass Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 (edited) [quote name='Hutton' post='21552' date='Jun 21 2007, 07:47 PM']What I found however is that many people didn't grasp why something would be offensive to an individual.[/quote] By, "didn't grasp" do you mean too unintelligent? Because that's how it comes across. My reading of those incidents was that you have a very thin skin and managed to find offense where absolutely none was intended. You weren't burnt, you deliberately stuck your hand in a furnace and then complained about the warmth. I wouldn't have mentioned it if you hadn't resurrected the subject. Edited June 21, 2007 by finnbass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutton Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 [quote name='finnbass' post='21562' date='Jun 21 2007, 08:13 PM']By, "didn't grasp" do you mean too unintelligent? Because that's how it comes across. My reading of those incidents was that you have a very thin skin and managed to find offense where absolutely none was intended. You weren't burnt, you deliberately stuck your hand in a furnace and then complained about the warmth. I wouldn't have mentioned it if you hadn't resurrected the subject.[/quote] I most definitely did not mean that anyone was unintelligent. I also have a very thick skin if you only but knew it. However, it was certainly not my intention to resurrect anything. My post was really trying to be helpful in saying what I had learnt from the past and trying to be more open-minded. Maybe, I'm just not meant to be a member of this forum. Sorry everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finnbass Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 [quote name='Hutton' post='21566' date='Jun 21 2007, 08:20 PM']Maybe, I'm just not meant to be a member of this forum. Sorry everyone.[/quote] I couldn't possibly comment. I am pretty certain that you weren't meant to be a member of [b]my[/b][u][/u] forum however..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutton Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 [quote name='finnbass' post='21571' date='Jun 21 2007, 08:24 PM']I couldn't possibly comment. I am pretty certain that you weren't meant to be a member of [b]my[/b][u][/u] forum however.....[/quote] Sorry. I didn't know it was [b]your[/b] forum. As whatever I say obviously offends you I will quietly leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finnbass Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 (edited) [quote name='Hutton' post='21577' date='Jun 21 2007, 08:33 PM']Sorry. I didn't know it was [b]your[/b] forum. As whatever I say obviously offends you I will quietly leave.[/quote] If you didn't keep walking off in a Royal Huff...you might be aware that this is [b]definitely[/b] not my forum And I couldn't give a flying [albatross] what you do Edited June 21, 2007 by finnbass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dood Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 Well finn, I do care about the users of this forum. Hutton didn't wade in and start throwing his weight around..where, your last couple of posts were straight on to the offensive. Chill out dude? If you have a personal grievance, please would you take it 'offline'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MythSte Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 Jesus guys, this isnt talkbass youknow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasted Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 [quote name='ste_m3' post='21873' date='Jun 22 2007, 01:18 PM']Jesus guys, this isnt talkbass youknow? [/quote] Yeah, they actually talk about gear over there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MythSte Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 ooo you nasty pasty! Lets go and raid the "meaningful" topics and offer opinions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dood Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 Well lets just move back to the actual point of the thread.. i think it has gone off on a tangent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasted Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 [quote name='ste_m3' post='21890' date='Jun 22 2007, 01:40 PM']ooo you nasty pasty! Lets go and raid the "meaningful" topics and offer opinions [/quote] I like you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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