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[quote name='deepbass5' post='1285907' date='Jun 28 2011, 11:46 PM']Interesting Alex commented on Reggae, as the only person i can understand how they play and sing at the same time is Sting. Early Police bass lines his vocal style sits in the gaps. So maybe start there at it may get easier ?[/quote] Which is pretty much how it works in the blues and many musical genres that stem from it. Most of the singers play guitar or keys and they alternate a sung line with a played line (mini-solo!). So in effect they are playing for half the song and singing the other half. As bass and drums are playing throughout the entire song it is much harder to sing at the same time - especially allowing for syncopation on either the vocals or the bass... I can do it and have done it, but it takes a lot of work and as others have said I always feel that both the bass part and the vocal part have to be compromised to accommodate the other. Unless you are Geddy Lee of course.

If everything about a particular bass pleases you, except the actual sound, then why not upgrade the pups? A decent set of replacement pups can cost less than fifty quid (especially if you buy used). If the upgrade leaves you feeling less than satisfied you can use the pups for something else or sell them on. If it makes your favourite bass just that little bit better, it's a win-win situation! I don't think many people replace pups to improve the re-sale value of an instrument, but to try to get something out of that instrument that they perceive to be missing. Some cheap basses can play really well, and the component that makes the most difference to upgrade (barring the neck of course) tends to be the pickups and electronics. Go for it, I say!

[quote name='JTUK' post='1279352' date='Jun 23 2011, 08:45 AM']I have big bass and drums and a bleed for the rest.[/quote] Me too (if memory serves - it's been a while since I did a gig with full PA support and monitors!). Sometimes I like some prominent vocals too if I'm doing backing vocals. I like to have some bass so I can compare the "out front" sound with my own backline monitoring.

[quote name='giblett123' post='1274948' date='Jun 19 2011, 05:05 PM']Have you heard any of the "bare knuckle" pups? A mate of mine had a bass with them in, sounded like a great trad kind of noise to me.[/quote] [url="http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=142435"]http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=142435[/url]

[quote name='Mark Latimour' post='1278290' date='Jun 22 2011, 10:58 AM']Defintely a fad. What kind of ass would play a guitar that looked like this... [/quote]

Trying to play "By the way" by the RHCP on a J or P is rather a challenge. Also, the hammering-on section in Steve Morse's Cruise Missile needs an extra fret... There are some Fenders with 24 frets though! [url="http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.dv247.com/assets/products/40977_l.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.dv247.com/guitars/fender-jazz-bass-24--40977&h=500&w=500&sz=48&tbnid=i2oi6H56TQCb-M:&tbnh=130&tbnw=130&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dfender%2Bjazz%2B24%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=fender+jazz+24&hl=en&usg=__pB0Enu5qugmjzvc38HSN3CqSDL4=&sa=X&ei=mrwBTomQOIeo8APOicW5DQ&sqi=2&ved=0CCgQ9QEwAQ"]http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http...ved=0CCgQ9QEwAQ[/url] [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fender_Performer_Bass"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fender_Performer_Bass[/url]

[quote name='RhysP' post='1277608' date='Jun 21 2011, 07:58 PM']That doesn't necessarily mean you've got reasonable taste - it could mean that someone else has got taste as bad as you. [/quote] Good point.

[quote name='silddx' post='1277603' date='Jun 21 2011, 07:56 PM']Non-self indulgence [/quote] I refer the gentleman to my earlier post. I'm still thinking about it BTW.

[quote name='RhysP' post='1277589' date='Jun 21 2011, 07:50 PM']If pleasing an audience comes before that then you shouldn't be a musician IMO - become a clown or a f***ing juggler or one of those c**ts that pretends to be a statue or some other such "entertaining" bollocks.[/quote] Get off that fence and say what you [b]really[/b] mean Rhys!!

[quote name='silddx' post='1277583' date='Jun 21 2011, 07:46 PM']There had better not be, such things are for Steve Hackett and Steve Howe, not proper non-self indulgent musicians like Steve Jones.[/quote] To indulge the non-self. Hmmmmm. I'll have to think about that one.

Good thread BTW.

I like music and I like playing bass. OK, I [i]love[/i] playing bass. If I do something that I like, I am indulging myself. Indeed, it could be said that I was being "self indulgent". However, if at least one person in the band, or, (God-forbid) "audience" likes what I am doing; then am I not also indulging [b]them[/b]? Mutual self indulgence. Can such a concept exist? Or do the two "selfs" (sic) cancel each other out and it simply becomes indulgence? Maybe the answer is for us to only do things that we [i]don't[/i] like. Then we could never be described as self-indulgent. But then we are indulging someone else. Whom, I neither know nor care. I like to think that I have a reasonable taste in music. So if [i]I[/i] like something, chances are that someone else will. Good enough for me! Am I making sense here?

[quote name='skankdelvar' post='1277182' date='Jun 21 2011, 03:30 PM']I mean, if she couldn't see the board for the sunshine, she should have signalled to the parasol roadie to get his arse over her side PDf***ingQ.[/quote] I love the image that this comment creates in my head...

[quote name='lowdown' post='1277029' date='Jun 21 2011, 01:34 PM']To me the whole thing/band/performance sounds horrible from start to the train wreck at the end.[/quote] Me too. I'm no fan of C-Lo, but I have to admit that he did a reasonable job of salvaging a terrible situation.

I am also an EPQ supervisor and ET is spot on. To get good marks the report has to be critical and analytical rather than simply descriptive. That's the hard bit! But at the end of the day this is meant to be a challenging piece of work rather than just a student waffling on about something that interests them. I totally agree about using this site as a source of information though. Just be careful how you refer to it in your bibliography. As it is not peer-reviewed it can only really be regarded as "pers. comm." (Personal communication). Good luck though on a very cool research area!

[quote name='derrenleepoole' post='1276941' date='Jun 21 2011, 12:32 PM'][url="http://www.guitarfetish.com/GFS-PB-Pro-P-Bass-style-pickups-Sweet-Alnico-Vintage-Tone_p_333.html"]GFS pickups[/url]. I used one of there pro wind series in a short scale P-bass and I have there Pro wind in my jazz bass. Great pickups with high output for very little money.[/quote] Thanks for that! Just ordered one of these... [url="http://www.guitarfetish.com/GFS-PB-Pro-PLUS-OVERWOUND-Alnico-P-Bass-style-VERY-hot_p_334.html"]http://www.guitarfetish.com/GFS-PB-Pro-PLU...-hot_p_334.html[/url]

Couldn't hear herself on stage? What exactly was the point of the two Ampeg fridge-freezers next to her then?

As usual, no sign of a consensus yet!

[quote name='headofire' post='1276841' date='Jun 21 2011, 11:29 AM']Kent armstrong, wdmusic.com i think. great, great pickups[/quote] Not really waht I'd call "budget" though!

That's beautiful! Very tasteful.

[quote name='silddx' post='1276521' date='Jun 20 2011, 11:22 PM']OK interesting, I think you're being way too paranoid [/quote] Or have just been very unlucky in the past! [quote name='wateroftyne' post='1276526' date='Jun 20 2011, 11:31 PM']Variety is the spice of life... Best to be prepared, though.[/quote] Very sensible. Works for me! [quote name='peteb' post='1276555' date='Jun 21 2011, 12:15 AM']I think that I must move in completely different musical circles to some people here![/quote] Me too! But that is the great thing about this site. You get the full range from teenagers just buying their first bass to gnarly seasoned old pros and everything in between! That said, I guess that the majority (silent or otherwise) are the weekend warriors who play small to medium sized pub gigs for their bread and butter, with the odd hotel, function or wedding thrown in. YMMV, IME, IMO, etc.