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Many thanks for your contributions Bilbo and ras52 - terrific. I'll pass on the example and chat about the double bar-line and suggest whatever is preferable aesthetically. GREAT .

Hello - I've been asked by a close friend to score out the first line of "You Are My Sunshine" for a tattoo, and want to make certain what I have scored is correct. Here is what I suggested:- My questions are: 1) I'm treating the first bar as a lead in bar, so no crochet rest is required - is this correct? 2) The double bar-line is correct as it indicates the start of the tune excluding the lead in? If it was the case that the tune were to continue, and repeats included for a second verse, then this bar-line would be a repeat sign [b]l[/b]l: and the 3 lead in notes of the melody for the second verse would be in the last bar before a repeat sign :l[b]l[/b] 3) Should the accidental be a Bb (followed by a B preceded by a natural sign) instead of A#? I think the song may often be sung with an A natural but I think the accidental sounds nicer. 4) I'm leaving the last bar open to indicate the song should continue, and not filling the bar with rests, or cutting it all together. Any thoughts? I don't want to get this wrong. Cheers

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Thanks again people, I didn't anticipate this would be so confusing - I'll carry on as before. If anything the exercise demonstrates the importance of clear notation. Cheers for your help

Hello, I heard back from Sightreadingfactory.com as follows:- [color=#000000][font=Verdana][size=3][i]Thank you for the detailed feedback. We actually are aware of this problem with regards to accidentals not carrying over the measure line like they should in the audio playback. You are correct though, [b]if there is an accidental that is tied over a measure line, any other notes that are spelled the same should also be played with that accidental in the next measure.[/b] We will let you know once we resolve this issue.[/i][/size][/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=Verdana][size=3][i]Thanks again![/i][/size][/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=Verdana][size=3][i]Don Crafton[/i] [i][url="http://sightreadingfactory.com/"]SightReadingFactory.com[/url][/i][/size][/font][/color] Sorry for the confusion, and I learned that the red circled notes should be sharps because of the tied accidental from the previous bar, which I would have played as naturals... Happy Days

Thanks again for your contributions - I've sent an email with the example to Sightreadingfactory.com and hope they'll reply. I see we are leaning toward playing the red notes as F#'s, but there are a few things that bug me about that. Firstly - you would have to be reading a bar ahead (which I should be doing anyway) to notice the natural sign in the following bar - yellow circle - is cancelling the accidental from two bars previous, so it seems weird that something in the following bar alters what is played in a previous bar. Secondly - if the natural sign wasn't there, should the red notes be natural anyway? Lastly - the program (composer?) played naturals. To quote Bilbo:- [quote name='Bilbo' timestamp='1429210553' post='2749346'] Have checked it out and tea up on the theory and, to be blunt, I think there is sufficient ambiguity for us all to be right It would be necessary to speak to the composer/copyists to clarify their intentions or compare charts with other musicians. Obviously, as the machine plays naturals, it is obvious that this was his or her intention. The use of accidentals in parentheses is, for me, the safest option. [/quote] I hope they reply. Once again thanks to you all for your very much valued contributions.

Thank you all for your thoughts and comments. I am happy to accept that the score as it is lacks clarity, thats great. As this example is from an exercise produced by a "sight reading practise" website, I was thinking that there was specific score writing practise that I just didn't know, hence the topic. Thank you again for your contributions, Out of interest, I will email the website and ask them what they would play and why. Cheers

[quote name='ras52' timestamp='1429189058' post='2748968'] In a band situation I'd ask what the others are playing... or if the chord names were given, I'd play F# for D and F for D minor... or I'd ask the question on Basschat [/quote]Ha Ha - and look at the trouble that's causing... But really thanks for your help.

[quote name='ras52' timestamp='1429187976' post='2748938'] Yes. My thoughts would be: "Hm, is that red note an F# or an F natural? I wish the editor had made it clear! I see that the F# is explicitly cancelled by the natural at the yellow note, which suggests that the red note's an F#." [/quote] Great ras52, and just to emphasise the poor job the editor has done; IF the yellow circled note DID NOT have the natural sign, you would have played F NATURALS for the previous red circled notes (despite the purple circled note). Many thanks for your continued help.

Bilbo, I didn't realise you can't see the dots. Can I ask you to [url="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4894275/F%23.png"]follow this link and have a look?[/url] Thanks Simon, so the red circled notes should be F#... even though there is no accidental in their bar, they have 'borrowed' it from the previous bar because the last note in the previous bar was F# and it tied into the their bar.... I need to improve my communication skills as well as my sight reading ones

Hmmm.... Maybe I've misunderstood..... If we can pretend that the score is as given and we are sitting at a reading gig there was no time for rehearsal, or time to skim through the pad... What would you play for the red circled notes and why? Am I right in thinking ras52, you would play F#'s for the red circled notes but feel there should have been accidentals for those notes to avoid ambiguity? Thanks very much (do different octaves need their own accidentals - ♯♭♮?)

Thanks for your quick answers. From your replies, I gather that the above chart isn't scored so well and I'd probably only come across this if reading a chart scored from software that has some quirks... I'm happy that the consensus is that the red circled note should be natural ( a reminder natural sign would be nice) and that the natural sign on the yellow circled note shouldn't really be there (is a bar too late). When reading this in practise, I was clocking the yellow circled note's natural sign before I had reached the point of playing the red circled notes and then having to decide whether the score was wrong and the red noted should F#'s until I reached the yellow circled F natural, or go with what I thought to be correct in that only the tied purple circled note from the previous bar would be sharpened. Just FYI the "chart" is from [url="https://sightreadingfactory.com"]Sight Reading Factory[/url] Once again, many thanks - what about the octave accidentals?

Hello All, I've been a little confused about this for a while. My understanding is that if an accidental is tied over a bar line, the next note shown on that pitch reverts to that of the key? Does that make sense? So in the example below:- The purple circled note is sustained from the previous bar F#. The red circled notes are F naturals. I'm confused about the natural sign on the yellow circled note, When the program played the melody, it played the red circled notes as F naturals, which is what I thought it should do, then why is there a natural sign (yellow circle) in the following bar? I hope its just a glitch with the software. Any thoughts? [url="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4894275/Music/BassChat/Posts/F%23.png"][/url] Whilst we are at it, am I right in thinking that if an accidental appears, its NOT carried over to the same note on a different octave - an additional accidental is required. Thanks for clearing up my confusion. Cheers

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