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Stick with it...you might not get along with it for a good few weeks/months, depending on what you are transposing.

Sonically... you can get close-ish to a P with the J neck pickup...but it isn't the same. It can't replicate it, IMO. The P bass can't get anywhere near a J bass sound as the range is somewhat clipped in the high end. You need to hear and know what they typically sound like and then you'll forever have that reference and you really need passive to get the difference without a pre amp colour.

The venue doesn't have PLI..?? They MUST have.. Not sure about this place as a venue tbh. and to add the limiter into the equation...!!! We would have walked as well.

thought they may be related. thanks.

Sounds good to me... I don't like to complicate the signal chain as what works in a set-up situation may not sound quite like that with all guns blazing, but that is just what suits me and the bands I play in. I've tried a few effects for certain songs/parts but they don't last long. I recall our gtr..everytime he changes amp or gtr that is a WHOLE load of work he has to put in the tweak his effects. But I am thinking of getting a pedal board just so I can claim my stage space

Good news and fair play to you for not hanging around letting the old gig circumstances get to you. That is the way to move on. I hope it goes very well. oh..and pics of the singers please... er... i mean, post some tracks

We use one to do alway with vocal cheat sheets. You can pan across pages of course, and we position it low by the monitors. Not perfect as we haven't made up a bracket for it.. we toyed with putting inside an empty wedge which might still be a goer, and therefore stand on the floor. At least it gets rid of a music stand.... not that I have any problem with them but this is visually better for our purpose.

Good idea but geographically pertinent I wouldn't mention fees and would just talk about room, stage size, parking, access and general stuff. So nothing contentious. More practical for weddings, functions and general cross-over gigs between BC-ers..

[size=5][sup]Unless you are running hi-powered low end, then crossovers are less critical..esp with units that run their own controllers..like Martin Audio, for instance.[/sup][/size] [size=5][sup]The controller will fix the x-over point to the subs anyway.[/sup][/size] [size=5][sup]If you intend to mic kit and bass and keys, then you will have to contend with splitting the frequencies to cabs that handle it better..and the generic term fo doing that is a cross-over[/sup][/size]

Anything to do with Eric Snowball....???

Always a minefield changing brands..... you just have to suck them and see. I spent more than a year trying news brands...so around about 10 sets or so... and used a few twice after a cleaning, and I am nowhere near as anal about the tension and guage as I used to be. You'll have to do this until you are happy. Once you settle on a brand and set, you'll not want to have to be bothered with rod tweaks ...just a minute adjustment on the saddles and only then when you go through the winter/summer seasons, IMO.

It isn't a regular pub gig for us..but it will serve its purpose in the shop window scheme of things.

[quote name='mrtcat' timestamp='1331764865' post='1578692'] I may be way off the mark but this sounds almost like these gigs aren't the real issue and it's more about some ill feelings within the band. Our drummer is a c##k and is totally obsessed with money and it has nearly split our band on numerous occasions. We eventually offered him a way out and said we all want to play regularly more than earn big bucks and he has backed right down. [/quote] All the guys are right...it is long enough in advance... but I only took the gig last week and I called them to get it rather than the other way round. So...that doesn't look so great. And yes..I do think think this goes deeper than blowing out a gig altho that is bad enough,.... it probably goes to control being hijacked. I prefer a 5 way decision of important things, and always intended as such, but this is maybe another example of someone running roughshod over that stance. I wont use principle..as I think we are losing or have lost all sight of those. It isn't the money for me... but I accept others see it diferently... but we all moan when someone blows out a gig as it should be first come-first served .. and that should apply to us as a band as well. The band is great, but there is an underlying theme I am less than comfortable with... and this is one such example. If the deal was it was all about money at the beginning..then I wouldn't have gone with that anyway..hence the non-function band theme I determined. And it isn't so much my control..it is that I wanted 5 voices to have their say...and I will get outvoted on this particular issue, anyway. Maybe, I am just having a precious day..!!

[quote name='crez5150' timestamp='1331758371' post='1578538'] You are right.... weddings can go one of two ways..... you won't know till you're there. If you're not keen on becoming a function band then stick to the pubs and you'll get regular bookings. I get the feeling that you want to do the pub gig anyway. If it was me, I'd take the payer.... but then I don't really play pubs as a rule. [/quote] I put all the guys together and was adamant that functions were better served by bands that were set up to do them. This was agreed by everyone back then and we do not cater much for a function set either. I know money seems a factor with 2 of the guys, atm..and nobody really wants to turn down the easy money for what we offer, which seems to be what a lot of parties/functions want, btw...in terms of a live show... We only do a few pubs anyway..and there are pubs and pubs so it is not as though we'll take anything. I just think we have lost our way..and this is another example of us doing what suits rather than doing what is right. I agree, I would do the pub..as I got us the gig...after promptings from the main guy who now wants to cancel because of a better date.. But...I am pretty certain this pub LL would have no compunction blowing us out if they wanted... It is not..as far as I know..that we even know who this wedding party is... I have decided to make my views known that I will vote for the pub date..so that is another spat about to rear its ugly head..!!! So, I've been back and forth..but deep down, I think this is also a reaction against one member who seems to do what he wants..and it is mostly for the money. I think it should be a band decision..even tho I expect to lose the vote in this instance

And the after-taste of this is, that I will not really want to get involved with gettings dates anymore... if I know they will get bumped so readily. The best I can hope for is we quote too high a sum for the wedding gig and lose it...or the bride calls it off pretty damn quick..!!

[quote name='musophilr' timestamp='1331757667' post='1578505'] Even if money is *important* if I've agreed to do a gig (especially if it's a proper contract, written down) then I would honour the agreement. To do otherwise is scrote behaviour. [/quote] Its a pub date and verbal agreement as they all are, so not contracted, but even so... Band meeting and we need a policy.

[quote name='lurksalot' timestamp='1331754063' post='1578406'] Dificult call , but I would argue it is yours to make, you arranged the pub gig and it was in the band diary first. The band should respect the decision you make , and if this would appear to be a bone of contention it needs some sort of policy set up to agree how the outcome is decided. [/quote] Agreed... We need to thrash this out. Am also not happy with treating pubs with less resoect as I feel they provide bread and butter gigs which hone the band. We are fortunate that we are getting quite a few party gigs, but I think we are in danger of letting too many people down too easily and too readily.. We have had to pull out of doing any pub dates in one town as the pub/pubs complained about a ticketed gig we were involved in supposedly taking away business. The ticketed gig was put on by a brewery from that town that also serves the pubs that complained.. Anyway...a pattern is emerging...hmmmm and not to our credit, I feel

[quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1331756615' post='1578465'] I'd discuss the predicament with the pub and try to rearrange the gig. But if not possible then, ultimately, I'd honour the first booking. As for being out-voted by the others, I'd regard that as them saying they're moving on - all of them! What if you blow the pub gig out for the wedding, then an even better offer comes in? Will you then blow away the wedding gig? At that rate, word will eventually get around that you're all completely unreliable and the bookings will dry up - and deservedly so in my book. [/quote] I will get outvoted...and what is as bad, is that one member has already said, it will be fine, he will have a word with the Pub LL... hmmm Plus we have already done this once this year to another pub..I was away on holiday so was not party to what was going on, but I went in that pub the other week and I got asked what was going on... Again..I did not like that. I will be voting for honouring the pub date...and as you say, what next, blow out other commitments if a better gig comes along...???

[quote name='Mog' timestamp='1331753960' post='1578400'] Is the pub gig advertised yet? If not a quick word with the landlord might sort it. You could offer to play on another night for free to make up for it. If the wedding pays X4 the pub gig ye'll still be up money. [/quote] I can't see us doing it for free, that is for sure...but as it is June, there is time to rearrange from their POV.. It just will not be me telling the Landlord we can't do it after I spent last week getting it..

I want to honour the gig..but know I will get outvoted. I will just make a point that I will not undo this gig, and those that want to blow it out can sort the mess with the pub. Still, don't like though...and It wont be this once, either, I am pretty sure...which is what makes me most uncomfortable

[quote name='icastle' timestamp='1331734216' post='1577936'] You'll get far less booming with a Gramma than you would after 5 curries... [/quote] LMAO

We had a relatively slack month in June so I went out and got us some pub dates. We are quite picky with pubs and this one is local, pays ok and has very good passing trade, all of which generally gets us other dates We haven't been back there recently so I was more than keen on the gig....but.. we have been offered a wedding for 4 times the fee on the same date, and it was only last week that I confirmed with the pub. My gut feeling is to stick with the pub..I just think I would feel better to honour it..but I think I'll get outvoted if it comes to that. It goes without saying that I don't think it will do us any good to blow out gigs too often and get known for it... And, of course, weddings are weddings and can go any way, blinding or boring. When I put the band together, I didn't want us to be a function/wedding band ...........and we don't play functions/wedding sets... but we just can't seem to help getting them......... what would you do...?

[quote name='risingson' timestamp='1331728744' post='1577795'] The biggest problem with most venues with sound limiters is that they're never properly calibrated anyway. Our contract stipulates that if you want to hire us then it is advisable for you to look for a venue without a sound limiter, and if the venue does have one then we're not responsible for what happens next. Needless to say, there have been many a time when clients haven't listened and we've ended up stuck between a rock and a hard place. Chris_b is right though, the necessity to turn down in these situations sharpens your playing tenfold. But with that goes a lot of the energy of a performance too, at least for me. Not that you need to be loud to play to your full potential but let's face it... bands are loud things! [/quote] Indeed... recent wedding we did...and we aren't a wedding band, but this was a specific request, we played very quietly for us. We treated it as a paid rehearsal and it went well. The other thing about unknown venues is stage and room size.. so it does indeed make sense, to us, at least, to have a look at these places if possible. The last wedding was good in that the stage was 16 by 8 ft and this is our miminum size now. but that is another topic.

or clapping..and I am not talking about raptuous applause, single hand claps set some off, IME.