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[quote name='Wil' post='965787' date='Sep 23 2010, 04:31 PM']If it's not too loud, it's too quiet.[/quote] if thats what i think you mean i love it..

its not the fact that its loud but i think when it gets so loud, it gets in the way the band gells...thats when ive got a problem..

[quote name='EdwardHimself' post='965754' date='Sep 23 2010, 04:09 PM']I agree about some people who seem to just listen to loud music for the sake of it being loud. I dunno whether they enjoy the vibrations or what but there is a point at which it really is just too loud to hear it![/quote] this is great in a live situation but when you are trying to rehearse its not good for working out things...of course i love it loud..but when your trying to articulate musicians that work together as a well oiled machine, which is what it should be period.. its a hindrance.. im not a pro but i think when you got paying customers you should be tight..

Have you ever been in a band that just plays too loud....i went for a rehearsal recently that wanted to do some classic funk covers...i turned up and started playing with these guys, and everything and i mean everything was too loud...im a big believer in sensitivity, space and articulation when playing with anyone.in any musical situation....when i turn up to an audition, im auditioning them as well as them auditioning me...it seems to be one sided when doing this sometimes the drummer was bashing the sh*t out of the drums, the guitarist had a Gibson and was used to playing rock, so his rythm playing was anything but...The male singer didnt have a good voice, and was just belting them out...they told me there used to playing in rough pubs, not that that has anything to do with it...ok there may be a trained ear in the crowd but most are pissed of high and dont care...the only one i thought was good was the organist but he was lost in the mix.. on top of this they were pissed...i never play drunk...i have too much respect for the music...that and i cant play drunk. do you have to be a pro, to play with people who understand the dynamics of good music...maybe im missing the point? anyway i didnt enjoy playing with them...i had the Aggy very very loud, but struggled to get an audible bass note out of it......ive had friends who used to listen to music so loud, i thought they werent really interested in the music...just the effect of loud music.., and i could never understand it..ive always listened to music so i can hear it properly... ive never listened to music on my stereo very loud..i want to hear whats going on..ive have always analysed music, unless its at a party of something. IMO articulation and space and a bit more thought goes so far... i guess im being a snob and its just fun after all? i just like what i like...

i think your right chris Alder bodies...much more depth in most cases.. someone will chime in

[quote name='waynepunkdude' post='965595' date='Sep 23 2010, 01:56 PM']Bike shop.[/quote] spot on...go to halfords or some other bike shop...thats where ive got mine from in the past..

Flats on a Pbass..i would say thats what you poss dont like..i love that tone, but i prefer a zingier tone....Put some DR high beams on the P bass...if that doesnt work for you get a Jazz ive played a Pbass with DR's or most roundwounds and it had that zing and it had the punch...

there talking rubbish! and bullshit... Did you mention you can get a brand new one from the gallery for £400 less?

Marcus Miller Meshell Ndegeocell Sharay Reed Pino Chuck Rainey theres more like Bernard and Victor and Debora Killings... heres a taste of the lovely deborah.. [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeZK9BD90F4"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeZK9BD90F4[/url] she may take Meshells title..oh maybe not.. yuo gotta watch the whole vid to see how good this girl is...

IMHO.. jazz shape, JJ pickups, Jazz neck, ..preamp depending on the enterpretation of the tone of a jazz... its got to stay real IMHO

[quote name='JTUK' post='963788' date='Sep 21 2010, 08:57 PM']I wouldn't say that was....for the purpose of this thread. It has a P-bass and MM pickup config. You need twin pups to run as singles. Just as a jazz can't really do P-bass, I would think that would be the case here vice-versa.[/quote] tis def not..dont think he meant it to be...

[quote name='Tait' post='963632' date='Sep 21 2010, 06:33 PM']For me, there's no real definition of a Jazz bass. There are some things I will class as a Jazz, and some I wont, and it doesn't always make sense! For example, I wouldn't class the one posted by Ou7shined as a Jazz, but if it had a Jazz pickguard or even no pickguard I probably would![/quote]?

[quote name='pietruszka' post='963800' date='Sep 21 2010, 09:07 PM']...Dovetail strings. My band has been offered a possible 'part-time endorsement' and Im curious as to hear from any one who has used these strings. What are they like? Tone? Feel? Cheers. Dan[/quote] havent heard of them...where are they from?

[quote name='TheGreek' post='963741' date='Sep 21 2010, 08:18 PM']Is this why Vic has one - see my thumbnail[/quote]i personally think the sound comes from Victor not from the Fodera...there are certain EQ settings that he uses..active, versatile basses have so much variation on the preamp... one Fodera is not exactly like another Fodera when one chooses "There Tone"...these famous tones from Jaco, Marcus, come from a amalgamation of a limited eq'd bass and the fingers and ears of the player... IMHO

[quote name='Chris2112' post='963714' date='Sep 21 2010, 08:03 PM']But if you look Bubinga, bassists and guitarists are ridiculously bad for being stuck in the past. In the 80's, things looked set to take off. Graphite was new to the market and those who adopted it quickly became very proficient at crafting basses with it. Headless design took off, as did active electronics. Solid state amps came and moved the goal posts on heavy, flabby sounding valve amps etc etc. Then things seemed to stop and largely went back in time in the 90's! Luthiers everywhere continued to improve on the foundations of Ken Smith, Fodera and Alembic etc etc but the frenzy of development seen in the 80's just seemed to tail off (as did musical creativity in general, sadly). We've come leaps and bounds from the 80's in the past 20 years, but it's sad to think that those days of excellent development and creation are gone. I guess synth players are the same. They've got incredible technology now but they all want to get their hands on 1980's kit too! [/quote] Hey not at all..i think those days are still here Chris...i just dont think that the sound and style of those graphite basses give most players the sound that the want... the Modulus Genesis is a great mix of the stiffness of graphite but the sound of wood... headless are great, but when you think about it...why? apart from the thought that basses were neck divers..ive had 17 basses and none of them had neck dive... i think it (MAYBE) tailed off because there wasnt the market for the innovations..i think the thing is alot of players cant really (in a musical situation) tell if its a graphite neck, headless...the ultra hifi sound of the 80's was a thing of the 80's..although i did like it.. the best inovation in bass is Sheldon Dingwall's fan frets...but although they are prob awsome B strings.. i cant see Victor Wooten saying...i gotta have a Dinger... the bass is an instrument for the most, that is not broken...we just all dwell in the different sounds and feel of what is available...its all in the music...

[quote name='TheGreek' post='963679' date='Sep 21 2010, 07:32 PM'][size=3]Why is it that everybody reminisces about fenders they [u]used[/u] to have?? Doesn't anybody still have a good one? Or is it that good Fenders are merely a [b]myth[/b]?? To be honest I've never played one that's half as good as anything currently in my living room. Aren't Fenders merely the Emporer's clothes...If they were as good as the rep nobody else would sell anything!![/size][/quote] you should play mine...ive played Modulus, Shur's, Pensa's, Moon's...IMO mine is way better...it may be a good un,.. but ive played many great Fender's...its all in your own ears though for sure.... i played a 71 in swansea and ive never heard anything quite like it.. the good ones have that something though...very organic....bloody mine field thats the prob..

[quote name='Chris2112' post='963677' date='Sep 21 2010, 07:31 PM']If anything though, I think Fender's custom shop are better today than they've ever been and the same can probably be said for their general QC. But the design of the jazz and P bass (for me) is really starting to age now and in all corners of the market there are better shapes and sounds. For me and many others, anyway.[/quote] i think mass market instrument will always slip and slide in and out of good and bad consistent building...it must be a nightmare to keep a hold on.. your second point really depends on what people want Chris..there is something about instruments be it bass, guitar, piano, DB, that will always be traditional...im all for pushing the boundries...but do you see that many people buying the lightwave system?..great bass ive played one, but there is only so many things you can change with instruments...its only notes after all.. there is something very organic about the old school sound...all people need is something to express themselves..it just so happens that the original fender sound seemed to appeal to so many..and i can see why.. i think there is a limit as to how much further you can push the electric bass..there are only so many attributes it has..the music changes not the instrument imagine the multitude of different things you can do in music..now imagine how many different things you can do to an electric bass...does it really matter....?

i have always thought in my experience that Fender jazzes take a little more getting used to if you used to playing active basses...ive had many active basses that blew me away...at one time i was playing nothing but active basses ...when i came back back to a passive jazz bass i was underwhelmed..i found out (this may be just me) that i needed to come down off of that super jazz active sound and take some time to get back down (in a good way) to the passive sound... it was very rewarding... trouble is with basses there are so many variables that make a good bass sound...unfortunately Fender is mass produced, so they dont have Jimmy Copollo's attention to the instruments...maybe this is why people say that older Fenders are better..no mass production..

[quote name='bh2' post='963566' date='Sep 21 2010, 05:26 PM']THIS is a jazz... 1962... fretless, J-Retro, DiMarzios...[/quote]my word.. does that belong to you bh2..ive seen it on Talk bass ..this is a jazz also... Redeemer circuit , nordstrand NJse4's....my love..

[quote name='PURPOLARIS' post='963572' date='Sep 21 2010, 05:30 PM']Mine is an active Jazz Bass made by Fender..........................does that mean mine isn't proper It's for sale [url="http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=103487"]HERE[/url] if anyone is interested [/quote] sorry i have to say im not sure FMT's are really Jazzes.. if you post it to me i could varify it for you, and give it back to you in a few months or so..

[quote name='Ou7shined' post='963497' date='Sep 21 2010, 04:33 PM']Is this a jazz? [/quote] No but i like it!!! thats a bad ass bass... ou7shined... ive obviously heard of the legendary Pingray before, but do you have a link, or can you tell me more about it...

i would ALWAYS buy second hand these days...unless i was loaded and really wanted a bass bad..(i would if i was rich believe me i would have a house full of basses).. but being on a budget at the mo like i am, there are so many bargains to be had...good god i got a Sei for a grand..i got a £2700 fender for £1100 ish... Most of the time, especially buying from Molan, the basses are set up way better than a shop anyway... on a different note, can you think of a jazz bass that has a distinctive tone like a Sadowsky..apart from a passive fender...i never hear from anyone..oh that Alleva tone, or that Celinder tone...maybe because these company's havent stamped there sound... but i always hear..man that Sadowsky tone tone is the bomb...i wish i still had my RV5.. end of waffle

im trying to think of a bass thats as close to a Fender jazz without the pre, passive and has JJ pups slim neck etc... oh maybe a Lakland JO? they dont have a pre do they? what im saying is where should it stop? what are its attributes that make it a jazz...i guess thats why they call Sad's super jazz basses...