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[quote name='bonzodog' timestamp='1453320874' post='2958482'] I will probably be in a minority of one here but I, and I'm sure my two band mates are the same think about the gig before the money. If it's a party it will probably be a good night so we would be happy with £50 each. We've done loads of party's for friends of friends on the cheap. I've spent 15 years playing in boring clubs where I only did it for the money. Nowadays I'd happily play for a low fee as long as I enjoy it and I see people enjoying themselves to our music. Life is short so I want to play as many good gigs as possible. [/quote] Absolutely agree with this, we have done lots of gigs for free in the past for charity, for events where we knew it would be a good gig and I would always put playing a great gig for free, above a highly paid, bad gig. However, my pricing structure still stands for me and my band, based on my experiences. So unless this was going to be the party of the century, with money on the door going to charity and we had a bit of food and drink to sweeten the deal, my 'mate' can jog on if he thinks he's getting us for free! Also, it sounds like with the OP's band, the punter got through to 'that guy' in the band that will play in a dustbin for free if offered. The guy who 'just wants to play'. We've got one in our band. There is definitely a sense of romance and 'doing it for the music' about this attitude, however we've played some terrible, terrible gigs in the past when we've entertained this viewpoint, gigs where we've all agreed we've done ourselves and the band no favours at all, and come home with hardly anything to show for it. Our guy has no family, so doesn't really understand how precious time actually is for the rest of us, especially at a weekend. When your sacrificing that to drive 80 miles to play for £30 each, to an audience of 3 people, who'd rather you weren't there, it can be really demotivating as a musician I find. If I'm going to play music I want to enjoy the experience, not think "that was a load of sh**" If it's going to be sh**, then I better be being paid properly! 😊

I'm with the OP. There are two different rates when in a gigging band, in my opinion. Pub rates, whereby the pub have to make money back by having you perform. Also, they will continue to give you dates, therefore as an ongoing relationship, the prices are lower. The sets are always 2x45 mins, and always from 9-10pm with a 30min break. Here my band usually get £250-£300. Private functions- These are one-off gigs. No opportunity for further gigs. Usually, the expectations are higher, the sets longer, music provided before, during break, and after. Time of performance can vary wildly, and location can be further than we are used to travelling. For these, we charge around £600. Slightly more for weddings, as these are always, always a pain in the backside and we are literally 'doing it for the money'. £400 as mates rates seems about right, and is what we've charged in the past, depending on how good a mate they are of course! I can understand why the customer feels hard done by, but he cannot expect the same price as a pub that may give you 5 gigs in a year. If he doesn't like it, he can always try and book someone else for cheaper? That's usually what we say anytime we get a moan.

I'm in St Austell, if anyone wants an eyeball report!

Is he having a laugh? You can actually see the brush strokes in the red paint. Not that I have any idea why a different colour logo would make any difference in the first place of course.

[quote name='Kev' timestamp='1453057839' post='2956036'] For a beat up old Squier, amazing. When you see some of the instruments you can get for that kind of money on here or on eBay second hand, its truly remarkable! [/quote] Collectibility factor! Don't let the Squier badge fool you, these JV's are fantastic instruments, my Squier logo'd P is great, and the 1st issue Fender badged ones are supposedly even better. Does that make them worth £1000? I don't know! Fullerton reissues go for more and are of the same age. Late 70's P's go for more and the ones I've played have been terrible! Ultimately it's still less than a new U.S.A Standard so I guess it depends on what you want. But collectibility (especially as a rarer Fender badged JV) and a reputation as consistently good instruments are what's driving the price up here.

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1453038614' post='2955787'] 'American Beauty' is maybe an easier entry point, after all. T'would be a shame to miss out because of a one bad video shoot; it's true that there's not a lot of 'live' Dead footage for those not already 'in the fold'. Could be worse; I could have suggested Cap'n Beefheart..! [/quote] You could have, but I have endured Trout Nask Replica on numerous occasions. It does kinda come together after several listens. Moonlight on Vermont is awesome. [quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1453038614' post='2955787'] I was attending a training session for an IT company in Holland, with a few international colleagues. Yo, from Singapore, was very keen, very enthusiastic. The instructor was explaining that we were to go through the procedure for restoring the Oracle database, which would be 'accidentally' rubbed out using the 'Drop' command..Firstly, though, a backup would have to be made... Too late. Our friend Yo had already 'obeyed' the instructor, and had 'dropped' the db. Nothing left to back up..! It took most of the morning for the local team to restore these training db's from that night's tape (a good exercise for them, of course..!). Our whole time with Yo was spent in exactly this same, 'speed', way. We'd go to a restaurant in the evening; he'd not understand how one could sit and wait for the order to be cooked..! No sooner served than he wanted to know where we would be going next. A pleasant evening spent in relaxing company in one place was foreign to his nature; forever looking for greener grass, unable to enjoy the present minute..! To hear him speak of Singapore, it seemed to be a cultural thing there (I've never been to verify this...), where everything is disposable, rapid, immediate, urgent, and better in the [i]next [/i]few minutes, in a similar fashion to Alice's "Jam yesterday, jam tomorrow, but never jam today". Eternally dissatisfied as a consequence. [/quote] I know people like this. Makes for a very unrelaxed night out! But I have to ask- did Yo appear to be disappearing to the toilet fairly frequently throughout the night? Come back sniffing at all? Excessively moving his lips or jaw? Well, it could be cultural or it could be chemical!

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1453025999' post='2955554'] I listen more, and more closely, to the Grateful Dead, though, in general. Real life-changing music, for me. [/quote] That's a musical blind spot of mine. Where would one start with the Grateful Dead?

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1452980535' post='2955353'] I don't have any views on Nirvana, other than I'm not familiar enough with their work to have an opinion one way or the other. I never bad mouthed Nirvana, that's the difference. Blue [/quote] You already replied to this one Blue, on the previous page. Anywaaaay.... I don't think anybody did bad mouth The Beatles did they? Unless I'm missing something. I think mostly it was just expressing whether they liked them or not. Which people are entitled to do.

[quote name='Cato' timestamp='1452978568' post='2955337'] The 1975 did this recently which I reckon was definitely inspired by 'Sledgehammer' amongst other 80s stuff. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ5bZuUlftI[/media] Okay, the video is not quite in the same league.. [/quote] Yes! I have been telling everyone who'll listen this song sounds like Sledgehammer. Great video, great song. Sledgehammer that is.

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1452822105' post='2953884'] I have never heard Megadef and only 1 Nirvana song. However, I know enough history to know both bands had a huge influence.And I understand what the big fuss was about them.So no I'm not completely ignorant. Funny old world, eh? Blue [/quote] Why do you keep bringing up Megadeth? I mentioned Zeppelin, the stones, velvet underground etc. Look, no offence meant, I understand how influenced you are by The Beatles and I totally get that. But your view on more recent bands such as Nirvana echoes exactly the view some people expressed in this thread of 'the greats' of the 60's, which is a view you took exception to. I've listened to hundreds of Beatles songs. My mum used to play her Beatles LP's to me when I was a kid. I grew up listening to these songs. But, when I got to about the age of 11, I discovered my Dad's Black Sabbath LP's and found it much more exciting. The Beatles I find 'ok'. I understand their influence and I respect them as songwriters but I'm not greatly moved by their music. But all the 'greats' , yours, mine, and everyone else's in this thread would have been nothing without the blues musicians from the early 1900's, we should recognise that at least.

This has happened to our band a couple of times. The worst occasion was when we actually saw ourselves on a poster for a big local music festival that happens every year, as part of the band line-up. No one had ever even been in touch to make contact, let alone book us. First and the last we heard of it. Very odd. Another time we were asked to do a gig and couldn't, confirmed we'd not be able to play, but still somehow found ourselves advertised. At least on that occasion we knew what it was all about.

[quote name='KingBollock' timestamp='1452787790' post='2953535'] The sosososososo guy I mentioned I can't remember. I could have a guess but I'd be very embarrassed if I got it wrong) insisted that music wasn't entertainment and that if you enjoy it you're doing it wrong. He was very quickly told just how far up his arse his head was... [/quote] Link please! This thread passed me by.

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1452741640' post='2953076'] I know nothing about those bands, so I can't intelligently say if I like them or not. Key phrase, " I know nothing about them" Blue [/quote] Given I was talking about some of the biggest and most influential bands of all time, some might describe that as ignorance. Funny old world, eh?

I'm 35 and too young to have lived through the Bowie era, but have heard enough of what he did to realise it's not to my taste. That's not because I'm young and ignorant, I'm a big fan of 'the greats' from the 60's and 70's. I'm a fan of Zeppelin, Velvet Underground, the Stones (well, most of their stuff), huge fan of Nick Drake, I find the Beatles to be ok, to name but a few. But Bowie never did it for me. The melodies just don't make me warm and fuzzy like other music does, I can just about get through Heroes and that'll do me. Plus I don't really buy into the whole Rock Opera sensibility and dressing up, alter egos, etc, it always leaves me a bit cold. I do however agree when he is described as a Genius. I can hear the appeal, see the impact he has had on the music landscape, and have nothing but respect for his work. The man is a legend in the true sense. But his music is still not to my taste. I'd like to think that had nothing to do with my age. I also listened to Megadeth (no A in Death, btw) a bit when I was a teenager. And Motörhead. By far the biggest influence in my formative years were Nirvana. They jumped out of the radio and MTV and spoke to me, and I connected with them like no other band before. They have left a huge legacy, and will be rightly considered as one of the most influential bands of all time. But if you don't like them Blue, I won't call you ignorant or assume it's because you were too old when they broke through. My dad loves them and he's 62. And he likes Bowie. Go figure.

[quote name='mcnach' timestamp='1452704424' post='2952661'] Stingrays are around the £1400+ mark these days, I believe. There was a special price for a batch of them in a limited number of colours (black, and I can't remember what else) that sold without the hard case for around £1000. [/quote] Was it Teal? My local music shop had a stack of Teal/Rosewood Stingrays in stock last year for £995 or thereabouts. 'Cheapest in U.K' so they quoted. They still had one in there before Xmas, but always Teal and rosewood.

Currently on 3, with a Bravewood on the way. Why? Who knows. Just ended up that way! I have my Roadworn that was a 30th birthday present that just feels so right, I can never sell it. I have a JV series '57 which is incredible, that I have considered selling as I don't tend to use it much but I like the idea of having a future Classic in my stable. Plus the fact I had to replace the truss rod on it, so this would affect resale value and I don't think it would be worth my while to sell considering what I'd get back. I have a Silver Series which is fantastic. Very much feels like a budget instrument when played alongside the RW and the JV but it's so well put together that it's a perfect gigging bass and again, I can't justify selling it just to recoup £200-odd when there are £700+ precisions out there that don't play as well as this. Finally, my dream precision was always a '57 style in transparent blonde, with a custom profile slim neck. Decided to go home grown and asked John from Bravewood. Should be ready in the next couple months I would think. Where this will fit into my playing, who knows! It could be my no.1 gigging bass or something I just play at home. I do love P basses! I only have one amp and one cab though.

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1452511475' post='2950536'] I have several cool basses,amps and a nice effects pedal board. I'm not buying anything. [/quote] ...Said no one on Basschat ever 😊

You'd think by now, with the amount of nuts he cuts (every guitar and bass he gets his hands on), he would have amassed enough skill to get them looking a little better than Shane Macgowan's (old) teeth.

[quote name='Subbeh' timestamp='1452263771' post='2948231'] I think this is how it works on Jools Holland's show. [/quote] PMSL 😂 We always get people asking to play a guitar. Usually in the break or post-gig. Our singer used to be a lot more relaxed about it and would occasionally let someone have a go. He let someone take it outside once as we were packing away so they could serenade someone. It all changed when he bought a Martin. The first time a punter tried picking it up he kicked them up the arse.

Scalloped neck! No way.

We've had to leave behind the odd good gig because of crazy landlords and landladies. It's just not worth it in the long run.