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This will do what you need. EDIT unless you need something everyone can hear, in which case this probably painfully little use to you at all, and I'm sorry. [url="http://www.korg.com/Product.aspx?pd=234"]http://www.korg.com/Product.aspx?pd=234[/url]

[quote name='Doddy' post='1030078' date='Nov 20 2010, 01:58 AM']True,but having an impact on popular music and being 'the best' aren't necessarily related. I don't think I'm out of line by saying that what someone like Wooten does on the bass is far in advance technically than Jamerson. Does that make Wooten better than Jameson? In some aspects,yes it does,but no one will ever deny the awesome lines that Jamerson laid down,and how they affected future players-including Wooten.[/quote] I don't think 'the best who ever lived' should ever be used to describe any given musician, although I understand Bubinga's use of the term concerning a player he holds with such high regard in this case. But whilst VW may have changed the way we view bass playing, JJ changed the way we hear music, his impact reverberates through virtually all music that preceded the advent of Motown, and yes, I believe this to be more important. Technicality and musicality are not intrinsically linked. The first is simply there to complement the latter, never the other way round. To say that Wooten is technically more proficient than Jamerson actually isn't right. Neither can/could play like each other, and both know/knew a lot of theory. Unfortunately it's why comparing bass players can be so very futile, there never are any real conclusions to be drawn... however, Jamerson was hugely technically proficient if you consider his feel and choice of notes and his sheer volume of output (and not just mediocre output, more or less consistently brilliant output in terms of commercial performance and critical acclaim in his heyday), it becomes very apparent that his impact - not only bass playing - but on 20th century music is massive, and eclipses basically every other electric bass player I can think of in terms of importance. EDIT - I should add that whilst I'm not a fan of Victor Wooten's music I think he's a brilliant player with a great feel, and is as every bit as important a bass player as he's made out to be. The 'best bass player who ever lived' though? No way!

I used to get shouted at by my mum and dad for tapping my bedroom floor whilst I played bass. I resorted to putting a pillow under my foot when I practiced.

[quote name='bubinga5' post='1030053' date='Nov 20 2010, 01:11 AM']ok ive been studying Victor Wooten...i say study..its more like my mouth is open.....Ive come to the conclusion Victor Wooten is the best bassist who has ever lived..[/quote] Really? I understand his contribution to the instrument is substantial and his attitude as a musician is impressive (hugely impressive), despite the fact I do not listen to his work. But the best? It's a thorny issue. I would argue his bass playing has had no direct impact on popular music whatsoever, whereas irrefutably James Jamerson's has.

Very nice bass Silddx! I'm not keen on DRs myself but the colour combo definitely works. Looks great.

How did I miss this thread?? Absolutely hilarious!

[quote name='thisnameistaken' post='1028775' date='Nov 19 2010, 01:28 AM']TBH I think any musician's output is what it is, and you either like it or you don't. This stuff does nothing for me, and some lesser (in terms of technique and commitment to the instrument) bass players have produced stuff that I've thought was more clever and more interesting. But that's just how it goes. I don't get upset when people don't like my band or don't like what I've played on a given song. It's just me doing what I do and I don't really have any influence on whether other people enjoy it or not. I imagine it's the same for everybody else, even (especially?) people who do "bass clinics".[/quote] I've never once been to a bass clinic, partly because most of them cater rather heavily for solo bass players or simply bass players I have no interest in. I'd want to sit down and talk about music more than I would about technique or gear, both of which interest me to a degree but neither are as important as what gets played on the record. Gear and technique are much of a muchness, it's nice to have both but never critical in my view to making good music. I always wonder if underneath his calm and friendly exterior, Victor Wooten gets hacked off by people draining the life out of him with the same questions. It's a testament to his personality really.

I've been playing a a fair bit tonight on my P-Bass. I love it to pieces but I can play a lot faster on my Jazz, mostly due to the slimmer neck profile, plus I can dig in over the bridge pickup, something I find difficult (although not impossible) to do on my P because of it's lack of pickup at the bridge. Bottom line: I love precisions because of the way they can bed a track and how fundamentally rich they sound in the low/low mid end but if I had to choose one bass to play for the rest of my life it would most certainly be a Jazz bass.

I used to have competitions with Stuart Zender to see who could nail the most correct intervals in the dark, but he always used to win for some reason.

That candy apple orange and the candy apple red are just beautiful with the tort pick guard combo. I'd add sonic/daphne blue w/3 ply white and a maple board into the mix as well, probably seamfoam green also.

The best funk players used P-Basses. Louis Johnson, Bernard Edwards, Anthony Jackson, George Porter Jr., Paul Jackson, the list is endless.

[quote name='steve-soar' post='1026066' date='Nov 16 2010, 04:59 PM']Don't get me wrong, I don't find them gloomy at all but their music has a beautiful melancholia that I like.[/quote] Yeh absolutely. Waiting on any hint of a new album from them but they're taking their sweet time.

[quote name='silddx' post='1026016' date='Nov 16 2010, 04:17 PM']Thanks mate, I'll try to check them although it's not on YT. I've just been going through various live Gwiz vids (four of them, not demos, live footage) and they all seem to be two or three chord vamps with solos in, no melodies to speak of, no heart-thumping harmony, just simple changes like you say. Why are people so defensive of him and get angry at criticism of him? He's doing very little if anything that is advancing modern jazz, I see no extraordinary bass skills, composition, no real energy. The trumpet player held my attention more than anyone in the band. He looks tired. Is he trying to be commercial maybe? I wouldn't blame him for that I suppose, he needs to make a living. I really don't understand what the hype's all about So many people seem to thinkhe's a bass god. I imagine he's a lovely guy with great physical chops and giant theoretical understanding, and a great teacher. But is this [b]REALLY [/b]his vision is of what to do with all these skills and knowledge? I mean, he has the knowledge and opportunity to REALLY compose. Why doesn't he? EDIT: I just had a thought, I seem to be labouring under the impression he is known as a full on Jazz player and is marketed like that, I think. Am I wrong? Is he as Jazz/Funk guy? That would make a big difference to my expectations of him probably. Still can't understand the fuss though.[/quote] You really don't have to quantify your own opinions to satisfy those who will force their own thoughts down your throat. I don't like him either, I think his music is bland, very very bland. But I understand that there will be people with opinions that differ to my own.

Well done Beedster, spent the past few weeks reading about what you've been doing. We just got through finishing up our first album in our studio we purpose built as well, would definitely be keen to see how you've got on with yours! EDIT I'm sure you've spent a small fortune on gear right now but I'd strongly advise getting an AKG C414 to add to the mic cupboard, it's a great all rounder and very true sounding, works great on acoustics and piano.

[quote name='krispn' post='1025653' date='Nov 16 2010, 11:26 AM']On a completely opposite end of the scale I find some of the Jamerson stuff initially sounds really hard, then you nail one phrase or passage and then only to realise its on a whole different level of playing and you would never make those note choices not even at gunpoint. I cant believe how much [b]milage he got between the open strings and 5th fret[/b].[/quote] That's the part that always gets me too... the way he just threw passing notes out like stepping stones to get somewhere, then expecting him to land on the root but instead he lands on a major 3rd instead or a 5th, or a pedal you don't see coming etc. etc. The guy just knew music inside out and back to front. I think that's the point about most of the bass lines mentioned, they might be easy (in some people's opinion) to play, but having come up with them in the first place is an entirely different story altogether.

[quote name='funky_numba' post='1025405' date='Nov 16 2010, 01:26 AM']Listen to lots of different music, but fav is Jazz Funk, Fusion, Swing, Soul,... Jamiroquia, Simply Red, Doobie Brothers, Steely Dan, George Benson, Mezzoforte, Brand New Heavies, Genesis, Average White Band, Various 70's, 80's music. How about you, Risingon, what music in your cd collection? [/quote] You listed a lot of cool stuff there that I'm sure as you're aware already contain some cracking (and at times some pretty advanced) bass lines. I started out playing Jamiroquai tunes. Their first album, 'Emergency On Planet Earth', is great to play along with, particularly 'When You Gonna Learn', 'Too Young To Die' and 'Whatever it is I Just Can't Stop'. Take it nice and slow, sit down with your bass and try and figure out what's going on with them and get your hands working together. Don't worry about nailing everything to begin with, it's all about having fun. I listen to a stupidly diverse and at times bizarre variety of music. Old Motown/Stax/Atlantic stuff, The Beatles, Herbie Hancock, Radiohead, LCD Soundsystem, Bobby Womack, Jefferson Airplane, Charlie Parker, masses of electronic stuff from Warp, Border Community, Ninja and BPitch... a lot!

[quote name='thisnameistaken' post='1025398' date='Nov 16 2010, 01:10 AM']It's where funk went when it left all the chin-strokers behind. [/quote] Just about the same time white people sucked the fun out of it too.

Yeh, I like the turn towards the advent of hip hop here. Here's some more modern stuff from the east coast, forget that fat w*nker 50 Cent, THIS is the real talent to come from NYC and Philadelphia.

When I first started out I just played along to all my favourite records. The best thing you can do initially to is to practice using your ear to pick out bass lines and approximating what you hear onto your bass. It's all about familiarising yourself with your instrument, if you're using your ear to pick out bits of music and then playing what you hear, you will find learning things will come a lot quicker to you. What kind of music do you like to listen to?

[quote name='bubinga5' post='1025330' date='Nov 15 2010, 11:26 PM'].to be honest i do love a modern production...this i dig.. it couldnt be more of what i like... the intro moves me.. [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0ec7n0QL4k&playnext=1&list=PL2BB950265B4C782A&index=1"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0ec7n0QL4k...82A&index=1[/url][/quote] Don't get me wrong, it's well done. But it's too well done, the character you'd find with grittier production values is lost and the sound becomes fatiguing very quickly to my ears. The older albums don't suffer from this problem because whilst they're still very clean, there is a warmer sound to the records that is just great coupled with their music at the time. Aja is practically a masterpiece in this respect.

They're the token muso band. I grew up listening to them in my dad's car when I was younger. Their new stuff is a little too clinical in terms of production values (ironically so is their older stuff depending on your taste; their sound played better when Katz and Fagen and Becker were limited by 70's studio technology), and the older stuff is the best... Aja's notably, but Royal Scam and Pretzel Logic as well.

[quote name='steve-soar' post='1025260' date='Nov 15 2010, 10:05 PM']Yes. They are so melencolic.[/quote] Never found them gloomy at all, although I can see why you'd say that they were. To me, they're the creators of the best music I have ever heard.

[quote name='MoonBassAlpha' post='1024588' date='Nov 15 2010, 01:29 PM']He's a German, and an audiophile. The chances of it being a joke are miniscule! [/quote] It certainly explains the protracted and fatiguing attention to detail

[quote name='steve-soar' post='1024093' date='Nov 14 2010, 10:30 PM']Had the pleasure of seeing Autechre, at the N.I.A. Centre in Manchester, ended up in the dressing rooms, smoking with an American, black funk band who were supporting. Can anyone help me out in remembering who they could have been? [/quote] Nice nice nice. You a Boards of Canada fan by any chance?